tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post117087554925339208..comments2024-03-25T19:18:14.047-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Lost: Suddenly I am run over by a truckAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21144726767606876562007-02-13T12:09:00.000-05:002007-02-13T12:09:00.000-05:00Wow... it really built up a head of steam in that ...<I>Wow... it really built up a head of steam in that relatively short distance. :-)</I><BR/><BR/>I noticed that, too. I just assumed SpongeBob was driving the bus.<BR/><BR/>"Floor it! Floor it! FLOOR IT!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1171085815366259762007-02-10T00:36:00.000-05:002007-02-10T00:36:00.000-05:00Sorry for the double post...Sorry for the double post...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1171085714074665042007-02-10T00:35:00.001-05:002007-02-10T00:35:00.001-05:00Two comments... first, I'm with Kristen. I definit...Two comments... first, I'm with Kristen. I definitely knew that ol' Ed was going to end up flat as soon as Juliet mentioned it to the "guy from Portland". In fact, when Juliet and Ed were talking on the sidewalk, I noticed the bus sitting at the light at the end of the block. Wow... it really built up a head of steam in that relatively short distance. :-)<BR/><BR/>Also, what would have kept Juliet from double crossing Jack after Kate told him his story from the beach. At that point, Juliet still had the gun and Jack would have finished the surgery thinking Kate and Sawyer were safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1171085700824905202007-02-10T00:35:00.000-05:002007-02-10T00:35:00.000-05:00Two comments... first, I'm with Kristen. I definit...Two comments... first, I'm with Kristen. I definitely knew that ol' Ed was going to end up flat as soon as Juliet mentioned it to the "guy from Portland". In fact, when Juliet and Ed were talking on the sidewalk, I noticed the bus sitting at the light at the end of the block. Wow... it really built up a head of steam in that relatively short distance. :-)<BR/><BR/>Also, what would have kept Juliet from double crossing Jack after Kate told him his story from the beach. At that point, Juliet still had the gun and Jack would have finished the surgery thinking Kate and Sawyer were safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1171063334727059502007-02-09T18:22:00.000-05:002007-02-09T18:22:00.000-05:00LOL. First off, I watched it once, live. No rewind...LOL. First off, I watched it once, live. No rewind or frame-by-frame - it's called paying attention, you should try it. By the way, this was no split second thing. My recollection is that they lingered on this for a few seconds, cutting back and forth between the reflection and Jack studying it. Seems plausible they were trying to make us think he was at least trying.<BR/><BR/>Second, why so angry? We're talking about a TV show. If life is beating you up, I can understand the hostility, but why not try directing it at someone who cares? <BR/><BR/>Third, I never said he definitely knew what Ben was saying. I asked Alan if he thought that was possible. If you can't have fun discussing a few tidbits about the show you just watched, why come here? To feel big and important bashing people anonymously? Such courage.<BR/><BR/>Fourth, you make good points. It would be difficult to read a guy's lips looking at them through a mirror. Why not point that out nicely instead of being an a-hole about it?<BR/><BR/>Fifth, this is LOST. Anything could happen, so I don't think my question was beyond the realm of possibility.<BR/><BR/>And finally, your hostile and unprovoked flaming is much more typical of TWOP posters, not my simple query to Alan. If you didn't like my question, why not just ignore it?<BR/><BR/>Why don't you wipe your tears, and come back when you can play nice, hmm? And give yourself a handle next time, chicken boy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1171062543639212792007-02-09T18:09:00.000-05:002007-02-09T18:09:00.000-05:00"Jeff said..There was a MIRROR below the operating..."Jeff said..<BR/><BR/>There was a MIRROR below the operating table, so Jack could see Ben talking in its reflection."<BR/><BR/>Oh how can I have thought you were one of those "see every little thing as being SUPER SIGNIFICANT, rewatch the tape for hours" freaks that overreact to little details? <BR/><BR/>So lets see, jack was at least 20 feet away, at a vary strange angle. He was LOOKING AT A MIRROR REFLECTION of Ben, whose lips, from Jacks perspective, would also appear to be upside down and also inverted (mirror images are inverted) in that infamous mirror. Of course there is nothing blocking this magic mirror, including possibly Ben's own head, but I'll just give you that since you have the slow mo, frame-by-frame tivo and I don't care that much.<BR/><BR/>Ben had his head restrained and was on a heavy sedative. So instead of crisp speech and lip movement, he would most likely be mumbling. He does, after all, have an OPEN WOUND gaping in his back, so vigorous enunciation is probably his low priority.<BR/><BR/>But even with all these obvious factors, its totally logical that Jack, besides spending his adult life studying to be a surgeon, also went to magicians school to learn perfect lip-reading. He is the 1 in 1,000,000 who can read a sedated, head-restrained, barely mumbling man's MIRROR IMAGE, upside down and from at least 20 feet. Even though Jack is under HEAVY duress in the moment, his ability to read Ben's lips is perfectly believable and logical. Because there was a mirror (supposedly) there.<BR/><BR/>How or how did I mistake you for one of those frame-by-frame fanatics? Tell us, did the bird really say "Hurley"?<BR/><BR/>No Apology offered, only pity that you will now spend the rest of your time seeing phantom clues in the most innocuous of images. Head on over to those banshees at TWOP, they like your kind there. Lost is the perfect show for you.<BR/><BR/>On a lighter note, Alan - no review of 30 rock this week?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1171042777255105482007-02-09T12:39:00.000-05:002007-02-09T12:39:00.000-05:00LOL. Hey Anonymous, before you go bashing me for b...LOL. Hey Anonymous, before you go bashing me for being some fanatical message board freak (I actually just watched the first 2 seasons during the break, I'm new to this), watch your recording again. There was a MIRROR below the operating table, so Jack could see Ben talking in its reflection.<BR/><BR/>Apology accepted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1171039976673904112007-02-09T11:52:00.000-05:002007-02-09T11:52:00.000-05:00I'm also curious what you think of Knights, Alan. ...I'm also curious what you think of Knights, Alan. And are you done with 24? Or just behind? I enjoy getting everyone's opinions of the show here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170999935673764592007-02-09T00:45:00.000-05:002007-02-09T00:45:00.000-05:00Carbonell had a great read on, "Did you say he sho...Carbonell had a great read on, "Did you say he should get hit by a bus? I don't even remember you saying that..." Sure he doesn't! And the Hanso Corporation didn't use their Probability-Altering Ray to make the guy step out into the street at just that moment. Uh-huh.<BR/><BR/>"And on the subject of guest stars, Ethan returns, though I think the scene of him passing Juliet in a corridor at the very beginning of the episode wasn't part of the mainland flashback, but some separate, Soderbergh/Roeg-style jump-cut flashback."<BR/><BR/>I think he <I>was</I> there in Miami, and he had just done something to Juliet's sister while she was asleep. Something that... <I>made her pregnant???</I> Ewwww.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170992293092494012007-02-08T22:38:00.000-05:002007-02-08T22:38:00.000-05:00OK, totally off-topic but there's no generic threa...OK, totally off-topic but there's no generic thread right now. <BR/><BR/>Alan, we need your writing around The Knights of Prosperity. I know you didn't love it at first, but it remains clever and funny, and is really getting better each week. It's at least as good as My Name is Earl this season. If you can't enjoy a Hindi (I think...) version of Cats in the Cradle, you're missing some good humor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170979989856299042007-02-08T19:13:00.000-05:002007-02-08T19:13:00.000-05:00Personally, I was disappointed that Sawyer didn't ...Personally, I was disappointed that Sawyer didn't make a "Hawaii-Five-O" reference. I don't ask for much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170978908087826642007-02-08T18:55:00.000-05:002007-02-08T18:55:00.000-05:00I agree with the suggestion that this episode shou...I agree with the suggestion that this episode should have been the one they ended with during the fall. Since next episode will take us back to the beach it would have satisfied all the people complaining about the Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle.<BR/><BR/>Since Kate never listens to anything Jack says, even he doesn't believe that she isn't going to try to free him at some point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170978870257322462007-02-08T18:54:00.000-05:002007-02-08T18:54:00.000-05:00I'm not sure what sort of episode would have satis...I'm not sure what sort of episode would have satisfied some of the commentators here. You don't like the Others? Well, they shot one _and_ got two of the Losties off of the island. Miss the regulars? The preview suggests everyone but Jack is back together by the next episode. And while cm's comments above do apply to many _Lost_ episodes, in this episode all of the effective weapon wielding (guns, slingshots) was performed by women, who were also responsible for all of the lives' saved minus one (Jack saving Ben). Yes, the weepy Juliet/stern Juliet contrast was laid on a little thick, but I felt it worked well with the closing revelation.<BR/><BR/> I generally agree with Rick about this episode having a good visceral component. It also added some depth to _some_ of the Others -- a new flashback (thank god) involving an Other, and an acknowledgment that Tom is the Others' Hurley -- his lines weren't as funny as Hurley's, but that's how it should be. Again, this should have been done in the six episode mini-arc, but I still take it as a sign things are moving in the right direction. Like <A HREF="http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/02/lost-thursdays-season-three-ep-7-not-in.html" REL="nofollow"> Andrew Dignan</A>, I was pleased that people actually _shared information_ in this episode, and I appreciated the action throughout. <BR/><BR/> My concern, of course, is that Alan's comments reflect how things go downhill in the next few episodes, particularly since we'll have to return to flashbacks involving characters whose histories we already know too well. In addition, the preview for the next episode had a "showdown" feel to it, and since we've been betrayed by those types of previews before, I recognize things could go south quickly.<BR/><BR/>AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170974134025314662007-02-08T17:35:00.000-05:002007-02-08T17:35:00.000-05:00Aw, I liked it. A lot. Was not expecting much and ...Aw, I liked it. A lot. Was not expecting much and was thoroughly surprised at how good it was. So glad Lost is back!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170970449623182082007-02-08T16:34:00.000-05:002007-02-08T16:34:00.000-05:00"Jeff said...Maybe I'm giving Jack too much credit..."Jeff said...<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'm giving Jack too much credit, but what was the point of him trying to read Ben's lips? I think he caught the gist of what Ben was saying (nice 2001 shout out, btw), and was testing Juliet's honesty by asking her. He either got confirmation that she's lying or that she's not."<BR/><BR/>Jack couldn't see Ben's lips due to the angles. Jack was in the observation booth ABOVE, while Ben was FACE-DOWN on the operating table BELOW jack. It's about as impossible an angle as could be established for Jack to not even know when Ben was talking. The fact that the audience can see the lips moving was purely a cinematic moment, not one that establishes Jack's viewpoint. For that shot, the camera was almost directly below Ben. Jack would have needed to be laying on the floor of the operating room for the same angle.<BR/><BR/>So, as always, Alan is right about this. Jeff, your point reminds me off all those fanatical LOST boards that read mountains from molehills. Sometimes a show is just a show.<BR/><BR/>So far, the Others and the Tailees have been a complete bust story-wise. For the Others, no one cares to learn anything about the individual people, and we can be pretty sure that LOST will not be revealing big secrets about the others in general (as is their methodology). For the Tailees, which was pretty much the whole second season, well, they are ALL DEAD NOW, save for that old husband who gets a line every 10th episode. <BR/><BR/>I'm getting tired of being yanked around by the producers. The may now be promising that we'll "get back to the beach", but it will probably be for endless episodes of Claire screaming about her "Bey-bey", Locke walking around the jungle more moody than a rejected teen, Hurley being funny but ultimately useless, and Jin and Sun losing and finding love (rinse and repeat). Maybe they should all go look for Sayid, since he's been missing longer than any of them, it seems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170969783689274422007-02-08T16:23:00.000-05:002007-02-08T16:23:00.000-05:00Even though I agree with most of the criticism her...Even though I agree with most of the criticism here, I still like <I>Lost.</I> And as preposterous serial dramas go, it's significantly better than <I>24</I> has been this season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170960304572898002007-02-08T13:45:00.000-05:002007-02-08T13:45:00.000-05:00Heh heh! Good one, jeff!So, Alan, didja watch "24...Heh heh! Good one, jeff!<BR/><BR/>So, Alan, didja watch "24"? Didja? DIDJA??? (Sorry, having a Jack Bauer moment there!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170959677872324482007-02-08T13:34:00.000-05:002007-02-08T13:34:00.000-05:00Hmm, I guess we'll find out who's right sometime i...Hmm, I guess we'll find out who's right sometime in Season 5! ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170959182571447452007-02-08T13:26:00.000-05:002007-02-08T13:26:00.000-05:00Jeff, I think the point of those shots was simply ...Jeff, I think the point of those shots was simply to establish that Jack <I>couldn't</I> tell what they were saying, which is why he demanded an answer from Juliet.Alan Sepinwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170959031698422542007-02-08T13:23:00.000-05:002007-02-08T13:23:00.000-05:00Alan,Maybe I'm giving Jack too much credit, but wh...Alan,<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'm giving Jack too much credit, but what was the point of him trying to read Ben's lips? I think he caught the gist of what Ben was saying (nice 2001 shout out, btw), and was testing Juliet's honesty by asking her. He either got confirmation that she's lying or that she's not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170952871061562832007-02-08T11:41:00.000-05:002007-02-08T11:41:00.000-05:00C'mon! Sawyer's best nickname of the night was the...C'mon! Sawyer's best nickname of the night was the one he tossed at the brain-fried kid. Called him "Cheech."Cinemaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12742365356939303431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170952082158572672007-02-08T11:28:00.000-05:002007-02-08T11:28:00.000-05:00The thing I liked about the "catch-up" episode was...The thing I liked about the "catch-up" episode was the showing of clips that had relevance to the upcoming up (e.g., showing Jack telling Kate the story he asks her to repeat when she's safely away from the Others). Also, I had no idea Desmond's full name was Desmond David Hume. Hmmm.<BR/><BR/>Other than that, I got a little bored with the ep because I really don't care who Juliet is or why she's on the island. Screw the Others and let's get back to the beach! It was nice seeing Bat Manuel again, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170948610773179582007-02-08T10:30:00.000-05:002007-02-08T10:30:00.000-05:00We don't know for sure that Ben is Alex's father, ...We don't know for sure that Ben is Alex's father, just that she calls him that and the Others assume she is. Rousseau said she had been there for 17 years, so Alex still could be her biological daughter that Ben stole and claimed as his own. Or the two of them could have conceived her together. That part of the story hasn't been revealed yet.<BR/><BR/>I was partial to Sawyer calling Alex "Sheena".Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06166689210558948213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170947608622869982007-02-08T10:13:00.000-05:002007-02-08T10:13:00.000-05:00This episode really annoyed me. Every woman in the...This episode really annoyed me. Every woman in the episode cried at one point. Nearly every man tried to kill someone. Juliet appears to have one all-purpose facial expression. And of COURSE, after Jack tells Kate "Whatever you do, don't come after me," we see the preview for next week with Kate saying, "We have to go after Jack!" Let me guess. She causes some disaster and needs to be rescued by the big strong men.CMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06318639374313150663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1170945839461531312007-02-08T09:43:00.000-05:002007-02-08T09:43:00.000-05:00The sad thing is I knew he'd get hit by a bus (did...The sad thing is I knew he'd get hit by a bus (didn't Michael get hit by a bus in a flashback also, or was that a car?), and I was <I>still</I> surprised when it happened. And I also got fooled by the intro.<BR/><BR/>I thought Rousseau said she came to the island about 17 years ago, but that was awhile back and I could be wrong.<BR/><BR/>About the question - I think Jack's just self-centered, and for whatever reason felt that Juliet had screwed him over. That was more a way of complaining to her than actually asking something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com