tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post122578632311838187..comments2024-03-19T05:50:19.572-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Caprica, "Reins of a Waterfall": Boxing dayAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-56884645914743257342010-02-19T07:47:18.723-05:002010-02-19T07:47:18.723-05:00Question, why did Adama senior change his name fro...<i>Question, why did Adama senior change his name from Adams? Could it be a Tauron marriage thing, as Adama is his Maidem name? Now that he's a widow that name goes back?</i><br /><br />His name was Adama when he immigrated from Tauron, he changed it to Adams to assimilate in Caprican society, and after the terrorist attack he had some kind of "go back to your roots" epiphany (see the grandmother talking to him early in the episode, and his conversation with William at the end). I presume he changed his name back between this epiphany and the next episode.Caravellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-85877962039662978512010-02-16T00:21:09.702-05:002010-02-16T00:21:09.702-05:00Just pointing out the taped interrogation echoes b...Just pointing out the taped interrogation echoes back to the arrests and interviews police conducted with the Columbine killers 2 years before; a lot of things were obvious, in hindsight.<br /><br />Despite my disdain of the I Was A Teenage Cylon subplots, I admire the writers for taking the perspective of a teen terrorist's parents and running with it. Normally American TV does that just prior to the parents confessing all and turning their kid in on a police procedural.cgeyenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-51852707216789696892010-02-08T17:38:08.312-05:002010-02-08T17:38:08.312-05:002) Question, why did Adama senior change his name ...<i>2) Question, why did Adama senior change his name from Adams? Could it be a Tauron marriage thing, as Adama is his Maidem name? Now that he's a widow that name goes back?</i><br /><br />In the pilot there's a scene with Joseph and a corrupt politician who is quite happy to take bribes from the Halatha, but isn't shy about telling a Tauron that his people are scum who "have deceit in their DNA."<br /><br />I think Joseph and Sam embody the same tensions that exist in many RW immigrant communities: Do you respond to bigotry and discrimination by "assimilating" into the majority culture (ike Joseph & his family) or forming a tight knit enclave where you assert the old ways (like the Halatha). <br /><br /><i>1. I was greatly disturbed by the "downgrade" in technology at the police station, until I realized that a) Police would probably use some technology that would make it nearly impossible to digitally alter (such as VHS tapes) kind of like how Polariods are used in crime scences. That way there are no digital copies (hence him destroying the tape)</i><br /><br />Certainly, but it also makes pretty clear that before the MAGLEV bombing nobody was taking the Global Defence Department particularly seriously -- least of all Durham who is better at covering his butt than his partner was at doing his job properly a year ago.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-35561775116094611692010-02-08T17:01:56.668-05:002010-02-08T17:01:56.668-05:00My Observation and questions:
1. I was greatly di...My Observation and questions:<br /><br />1. I was greatly disturbed by the "downgrade" in technology at the police station, until I realized that a) Police would probably use some technology that would make it nearly impossible to digitally alter (such as VHS tapes) kind of like how Polariods are used in crime scences. That way there are no digital copies (hence him destroying the tape)<br /><br />2) Question, why did Adama senior change his name from Adams? Could it be a Tauron marriage thing, as Adama is his Maidem name? Now that he's a widow that name goes back?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-64497641503847644732010-02-08T16:39:16.778-05:002010-02-08T16:39:16.778-05:00Shouldn't the dishonourable mention go to ABCF...<i>Shouldn't the dishonourable mention go to ABCFam for throwing out the baby with the bathwater?</i><br /><br />Quite right, Dez -- grief does strange things to us all, but at least I'm not ordering my assassin brother to "even it up" or getting my arse kicked after denouncing my daughter as a murderous cult fanatic. :)Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-27738607348193426012010-02-08T13:44:44.246-05:002010-02-08T13:44:44.246-05:00Special dishonourable mention has to go to Heroes ...<i>Special dishonourable mention has to go to Heroes (which deserves to be put out of my misery now) and The Middleman -- which was brilliant, and therefore had to be strangled in it's cradle by ABC Family.<br /></i><br /><br />Shouldn't the dishonourable mention go to ABCFam for throwing out the baby with the bathwater?deznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-25367349761198557682010-02-08T12:27:20.662-05:002010-02-08T12:27:20.662-05:00My first though when hearing the concealed voice w...My first though when hearing the concealed voice was that it sounded an awful lot like James MarstersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-69020267453275626252010-02-08T12:15:53.117-05:002010-02-08T12:15:53.117-05:00Lots of really provocative things going on. I agre...Lots of really provocative things going on. I agree with Hoosier Paul that is is really fun and interesting to try to track the evolution of the humanoid Cylons from "BSG" all the way back to "Caprica," and that Zoe's zealous monotheism is certainly a huge connection. How much of the BSG humanoid Cylon culture will eventually be rooted in Zoe? I think this is one of the most interesting aspects of "Caprica." I also agree with Billy that Joseph Adama's descent into darkness is a fascinating thing to watch -- this is a character who appeared at the outset to be functioning as the soul/moral center of the show, and the fact that he is an Adama only raised our expectations for him. This show is unpredictable and compelling, and who cares that they are no spaceship battles?david bushmanhttp://www.paleycenter.org/curator-bushmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-43457802164984401152010-02-08T10:25:32.452-05:002010-02-08T10:25:32.452-05:00"Anonymous said...
Did anyone else think..."Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Did anyone else think the masked voice of Clarice's STO superior sounded like Eric Stoltz? That could be interesting..."<br /><br />Oddly enough, the first thought that came to mind when I heard the concealed voice was "Brother Cavil." (I don't think it's spoilerish to post that when it's only an opinion, and only a BSG fan would understand the reference.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-37702070594705768502010-02-08T07:15:06.293-05:002010-02-08T07:15:06.293-05:00All the people who are surprised at Adama's da...All the people who are surprised at Adama's darkness given Lee's image of him - what I remembered is that Bill Adama didn't get along with his father (not too spoilery... or incorrect given I seem to be the only one to mention this, I hope).<br /><br />I'd been wondering why, because you can see they're not exactly close but Joe Adama as a person didn't look like a person Bill Adama would dislike... This episode clears that <i>right</i> up. (Aside from the chilling "balance it out" that I hope against hope Sam will have the sense to disregard, I was also underestimating how deep Adama is with the mob)Oosaka-sanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03509462248570872481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-8806856353868712972010-02-08T04:36:37.747-05:002010-02-08T04:36:37.747-05:00I do enjoy LOST, Warehouse 13, & Venture Bros....<i>I do enjoy LOST, Warehouse 13, & Venture Bros. I consider all 3 of them sci-fi and love them to death. </i><br /><br />Oh, quite right -- <i>Lost</i> deserves kudos for the best return from the dead since Lazarus (Nikki and Paulo - 'nuff said). Only seen a couple of episodes of <i>Warehouse 13</i>, but did like what I saw. Solid B+, with a lot of potential.<br /><br />Never seen <i>Venture Brothers</i> though -- yay, something else to put on the list of things to see I'll probably never get around to. Thanks for nothing! :)Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-56155203232207019112010-02-07T23:38:44.138-05:002010-02-07T23:38:44.138-05:00It's hard for me to disagree with you about cu...It's hard for me to disagree with you about current sci-fi shows. <br /><br />I sadly admit I do watch SG-U with some hope that it's stealing of concepts, executions, and ideas will transform itself into a semi-original show. There's been a spark or two that shows promise.<br /><br />I do enjoy LOST, Warehouse 13, & Venture Bros. I consider all 3 of them sci-fi and love them to death. <br /><br />When you put it that way, exception of 3 listed prior, this show is heavenly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-58296874209015093672010-02-07T23:27:38.503-05:002010-02-07T23:27:38.503-05:00Craig, you must really like this show. You're ...<i>Craig, you must really like this show. You're defending every comment!</i><br /><br />I certainly do, and would even if most of the SF shows shows this year weren't "OMFG! My eyes they burn!" awful (yes, I'm looking at you <i>FlashForward</i> and <i>Stargate: Universe</i>) or frustratingly uneven (<i>Dollhouse</i>, <i>Fringe</i>, <i>V</i>, <i>Kings</i>). <br /><br />Special dishonourable mention has to go to <i>Heroes</i> (which deserves to be put out of my misery now) and <i>The Middleman</i> -- which was brilliant, and therefore had to be strangled in it's cradle by ABC Family.<br /><br /><i>Alas, thanks for the clarification about the timeline.</i><br /><br />Glad to help, if I didn't actually confuse things even more. :)<br /><br /><i>Does anyone know if they have a point to this show as in an endgame or are they just going to drag it out to see how long it lasts?</i><br /><br />YOu'd think, in terms of internal chronology, the start of the Cylon War would be an obvious kill switch. Though I think you've got a fair point that there's nothing forcing them to hew to to the convention that 1 year of show time = 1 season. After all, the mini-series and first two seasons of BSG took place over a little under nine months, until <b>that</b> crash cut. :)Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-18195885422659972732010-02-07T22:17:57.333-05:002010-02-07T22:17:57.333-05:00Craig, you must really like this show. You're...Craig, you must really like this show. You're defending every comment!<br /><br />Alas, thanks for the clarification about the timeline. <br /><br />I don't think this show can sustain itself at this rate for an extended period without reaching a point where it will be boring. I wouldn't mind it to jump every couple years ahead with each season.<br /><br />Does anyone know if they have a point to this show as in an endgame or are they just going to drag it out to see how long it lasts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-61660180088722491042010-02-07T16:50:31.107-05:002010-02-07T16:50:31.107-05:00My only real complaint is I call shenanigans on th...<i>My only real complaint is I call shenanigans on the use of video tape in the police station. Even if it was "space tape" that could hold thousands of gigs of information, there is no way a society that can have the virtual worlds they show here wouldn't have a smaller, more compact medium for recording. You know, like our world has had for about 14 years now?</i><br /><br />Srpad: Get the sense that the GDD isn't exactly rolling in cubits, or even particularly well set-up to investigate, let alone prevent, terrorist acts like the MAGlEV tragedy? Unlike their equivalents on <i>24</i>, the CSI franchise and other forensic/police procedural shows, where they have so much money their offices resemble the bridge of the starship Enterprise?<br /><br />I'd also note that in our world, VCR tapes haven't exactly vanished because recordable CD, DVD and BluRay discs are on the market.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1669066611221264682010-02-07T16:28:35.389-05:002010-02-07T16:28:35.389-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-24180489120007723752010-02-07T16:26:12.896-05:002010-02-07T16:26:12.896-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-82026618659047147082010-02-07T14:35:36.130-05:002010-02-07T14:35:36.130-05:00Chris, I found this site on IMDB this morning that...Chris, I found this site on IMDB this morning that possibly may be the origin for the title. Maybe.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0359352/plotsummary" rel="nofollow">Great Waterfall of the Rhein</a>Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299731959049654407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-70503766718232809422010-02-07T14:09:42.741-05:002010-02-07T14:09:42.741-05:00I found the final line a shocker as well as I also...I found the final line a shocker as well as I also assumed from the previous shows that the two would be friends. <br /><br />Ironically this means the Adama family was fighting against the Cylons before they were even invented and they didn't even know it.<br /><br />I was on the fence with Caprica but now I am in. It almost seems less sci fi than a show about an alternate world which I am finding refreshing. <br /><br />My only real complaint is I call shenanigans on the use of video tape in the police station. Even if it was "space tape" that could hold thousands of gigs of information, there is no way a society that can have the virtual worlds they show here wouldn't have a smaller, more compact medium for recording. You know, like our world has had for about 14 years now?srpadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-48938971690287991342010-02-07T13:33:54.597-05:002010-02-07T13:33:54.597-05:00Also, are the ratings worrying? I've heard the...<i>Also, are the ratings worrying? I've heard they had really low ratings.</i><br /><br />Not really -- if 'Caprica' was screening on NBC instead of SyFy, then I'd be saying "stick a fork in this show, it's done'. But it isn't, so I'm not.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-77415381858703462352010-02-07T12:30:57.375-05:002010-02-07T12:30:57.375-05:00What on earth is the title of the episode referrin...What on earth is the title of the episode referring to? A line I missed? I dislike pretentious titles like this.<br /><br />Also, are the ratings worrying? I've heard they had really low ratings.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00863221367922860322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-67815922476374900272010-02-07T05:52:16.490-05:002010-02-07T05:52:16.490-05:00The last moment of this episode was certainly enli...<i>The last moment of this episode was certainly enlightening because up until now, I was trying to give Joe Adama the benefit of the doubt, especially knowing the ultimate nobility of Bill Adam on BSG.</i>.<br /><br />Funny that, because in that moment I saw a lot of Joseph in the man his son will be sixty years down the road. In a perverse way, they both deal with inhuman stress and pain by going straight for the denial -- they're all about the job (whether it's commanding a Battlestar or being the Ha'la'tha's consigliere). But when they bow up, it is nuclear -- and you don't want to be on the receiving end of the blast.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-73787505319787853282010-02-07T00:51:20.192-05:002010-02-07T00:51:20.192-05:00I am really liking this show. Besides learning th...I am really liking this show. Besides learning that Esai Morales can act if given a compelling character to play, <i>Caprica</i> has really sold me on its main themes, most notably the humanity behind the machines and the desire to quash grief no matter the consequences. Each character is complex and flawed, and each actor/actress is really beginning to dig into their roles. I'm especially pleased with Sasha Roiz and Polly Walker, and I imagine there is a lot more we have to learn about these two.<br /><br />I like the dichotomy mentioned by others between the Joseph Adama we heard on BSG and the man we see on this show. This may be a resource the writers come back to occasionally; certainly adds a layer of complexity to those who watched the original series.<br /><br />Besides the stellar content/substance of the first few episodes, this show is simply gorgeous. The shots in the virtual world are mesmerizing, and the interesting use of lighting by Ronald D. Moore in this episode was eerily effective. The drabness of the Tauron mob scenes contrasting with the empty whites and large spaces of the Graystone scenes -- I love it.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299731959049654407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-15758308658705483622010-02-06T23:59:09.551-05:002010-02-06T23:59:09.551-05:00Where does this show place in time compared to the...<i>Where does this show place in time compared to the final five's journey back to the 12 Colonies? Would they have arrived by now and be helping them develop new bodies?</i><br /><br />No - far too early. And don't forget that, as yet, there is no "them" -- the Cylons plural are nothing more than a massively over-budget, behind schedule defence project that is on the verge of total failure -- and taking Graystone Industries with it. Daniel doesn't even realise what the U-87 in his own house really is.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-24436168904210032982010-02-06T21:30:13.432-05:002010-02-06T21:30:13.432-05:00Where does this show place in time compared to the...Where does this show place in time compared to the final five's journey back to the 12 Colonies? Would they have arrived by now and be helping them develop new bodies? If so I can't help but to think the teachers superiors might be one of our precious final five.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com