tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post1496090229551903566..comments2024-03-25T19:18:14.047-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains, "I'm Not a Good Villain": Jerri in the middleAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-55632380836684246822010-04-08T16:38:38.969-04:002010-04-08T16:38:38.969-04:00When they got the clue about another Idol and deci...<i>When they got the clue about another Idol and decided to find it AS A TEAM was a shining moment for that tribe. I'm glad to see Colby rejuvinated after last week.</i><br /><br />Colby was awesome last ep! It was great seeing him triumph for a change this season.<br /><br />As for Coach, I'm sure in his tiny feeble mind, his vote for Courtney was his way of being loyal to both Rob & Russell because he'd promised them both he would vote for them. I'm not a Rob fan at all, but I still loved his "little man" dig at Coach as he left.deznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-4784520829558182702010-04-06T09:00:20.433-04:002010-04-06T09:00:20.433-04:00@ J Newman
Dude seriously? Once again you are pr...@ J Newman<br /><br />Dude seriously? Once again you are propping of words of wisdom from contestants AT PONDEROSA.<br /><br />I love that if Russell comes up with a plan and executes, its only luck if it works out.<br /><br />If Russell is no genius then what does that make Rob? A complete moron?<br /><br />Check out this interview with Rob:<br /><br />http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/04/02/survivor-heroes-vs-villains-boston-rob-russell-2/<br /><br />He still refuses to give the idol play any credit, but at least admits that Russell is still there while he was voted out, meaning he doesn't have much to stand on.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022623160699913156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-51187350300727028522010-04-05T19:36:20.041-04:002010-04-05T19:36:20.041-04:00I was all for team Galu, so I used to hate Russell...I was all for team Galu, so I used to hate Russell. If he got kicked off, it would have been stupid and ridiculous. Instead, Russell giving the idol to Parvati saved himself, Parvati, eliminated an enemy, and crumbled Boston Rob's (who I was very impressed with this season) huge alliance. That, no matter how one personally feels about Russell, is a stroke of genius. He had a target on his back the moment that he went to look for the idol. His alliance was outnumbered by at least 3 votes. What he was able to engineer (and it had to go exactly as planned) is amazing. This was probably Russell's greatest coup, but hardly his only one in Survivor. <br /><br />The Amanda/Kate comparison is kind of amusing. Kate annoys me most of the time. I don't mind Amanda so much cause her body makes me all hot and bothered. I wonder if she ever hooked up with that James fellow. He looks like a large guy.<br /><br />I never saw Colby in previous Survivors. He seems cool. I'm glad he's doing better, and I enjoy when he wears his hat. I do recall seeing some of Tom, and I am disappointed he is gone.Thongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-37792470023183448522010-04-05T16:59:28.413-04:002010-04-05T16:59:28.413-04:00Read Rob's exit interviews, they are pretty te...Read Rob's exit interviews, they are pretty telling and I agree with his take on Russell's "genius" move:<br /><br />"The fact that he gave up his own immunity to protect her is ridiculous. People see that as a genius move and stuff? There’s nothing genius about it. It’s just stupidity that worked out for him and he got lucky."J. Newman Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10452675746190549612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-15324437596552880862010-04-05T14:07:48.390-04:002010-04-05T14:07:48.390-04:00@Ian
This is exactly what I'm talking about. ...@Ian<br /><br />This is exactly what I'm talking about. Did Russell's plan hinge on Tyson's stupidity? Yes, definitely. But if Russell makes no effort and simply leaves it alone, then he or Parvati goes home. But by making a subtle play to Tyson, it was enough to shake up their split vote. I think you have to give Russell credit here. I think it was widely known around camp that people wanted Parvati gone, so Russell used that to plant a seed with the bigger alliance. <br /><br />Couple that with Rob's reaction, cluelessness, and I think its easy to tell who the better strategic player is. That one hit towards Rob essentially knocked Rob out of the game. For whatever reason Rob failed to adapt after Russell's move and basically accepted his own ouster. <br /><br />The outwit part of survivor is getting people to act in unexpected ways, or to vote against their own interests. This is precisely the area Russell excels in.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022623160699913156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-16878676694808463982010-04-05T10:49:11.175-04:002010-04-05T10:49:11.175-04:00Recall that much of Russell's supposed astound...Recall that much of Russell's supposed astounding genius in eventually engineering Rob's ouster hinges pretty heavily on Tyson's equally astounding stupidity.<br /><br />It'll be a lot of fun watching Coach once again spew his "for the good of the tribe" garbage as he's hiking to the next tribal council. <br /><br />Alas, I understand Survivor rarely works out that way.Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-91321566047926598052010-04-05T09:40:29.726-04:002010-04-05T09:40:29.726-04:00You know what's even more annoying? When peopl...You know what's even more annoying? When people come up with every way possible to keep from giving Russell any kind of credit.<br /><br />I know that Russell's game is not perfect but its not like he got to the finals just because of his unlikeable personality. He was clearly the leader of his alliance in Samoa. He seemed like the only one actively playing to win. His fault was that he was too aggressive and cocky in his pursuit of that. I think he deserved to win regardless, but I definitely think he would have won, if he had just toned it down and played with a little more subtlety. <br /><br />@J Newman<br /><br />I get what you are saying about Natalie having a strategy, I just don't agree that it was a winning one, especially up against Russell, who was clearly ahead of everyone in Samoa. If you have two equal strategizers, then fine give it to the likeable one, but I don't think Natalie's game came even close to Russell's. I will always have a problem with someone winning who just lets their partner take the fall, which is exactly what Natalie did in my opinion.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022623160699913156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-85594279151819025242010-04-05T04:50:39.558-04:002010-04-05T04:50:39.558-04:00*couldn't*couldn'tUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07420010043022355166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-85275069562832162672010-04-05T04:49:11.751-04:002010-04-05T04:49:11.751-04:00I could agree Alan. The most unlikeable people are...I could agree Alan. The most unlikeable people are clearly controlling the game this season and I really cannot continue to watch what I know is going to be the obnoxious combination of Parv/Russ. The only thing more annoying then these two are Parv/Russ fan boys who cannot take even the slightest criticism of their favorite survivors.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07420010043022355166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-28134502489314379022010-04-04T23:27:40.743-04:002010-04-04T23:27:40.743-04:00@andythesaint -> It's true that Russell doe...@andythesaint -> It's true that Russell does have an advantage over every other contestant. I don't think it takes a genius to figure out what kind of player he is after talking to him for a little bit.<br /><br />At the beginning of both seasons, he did the exact same "trick." He went to the good looking girls on his tribe and tried to form an alliance (his so-called "dumb-ass girl's alliance", charming I know). In the last season of Samoa, only one of the girls caught on about him and ended up being voted off first. When he approached Parvarti, it seems that she figured out right away what type of game he was playing and knew he offered the same thing to the other girls.<br /><br />My point is, I don't think it's as much of an advantage as you are claiming. The challenge argument doesn't work because the entire tribe knew that Rob was their biggest asset in challenges. This was about strategic alignment before the merge. I also don't believe Russell is as "weak" of a challenge person than you think he is. He won the very last challenge to guarantee his position in the final 3 last season. And knowing the type of game he plays, it wouldn't surprise me if he actually half-heartedly tried on challenges so his tribe loses. He lives off confusion and chaos remember? Who else would purposely get rid of his tribe's machete, water supply, and socks? There's been a lot of challenges where if you watch him, it looks like he almost quits a few seconds too early. I don't think he'll win this season, but it's been helluva entertaining watching him again. I was sad to see the epic showdown between Rob and him end. Great TV.<br /><br />Quick side note - Is it just me or does Amanada and Kate (character from Lost) have some attributes in common? They both make this hurt puppy dog face and it's killing me to watch sometimes. They both tend to make decisions for their benefit but show this pretentious remorse afterwards. They play off the pretty girl who wants the best for everybody gimmick but ultimately wants something for herself. Little harsh on both the fictional Kate and real Amanda I know but I thought I'd share anyway.ezc23https://www.blogger.com/profile/15568282122752151985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-3375260933948046632010-04-04T23:25:56.328-04:002010-04-04T23:25:56.328-04:00I don't think there will be a merge and then w...I don't think there will be a merge and then which tribe is more messed up? Villains. Russell may regret not having Rob longer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-56771519376514332092010-04-04T21:04:20.393-04:002010-04-04T21:04:20.393-04:00Late comment, but I feel the need to write it some...Late comment, but I feel the need to write it somewhere anyway: it's not just that being in this game without anyone else having seen a player's previous season is an advantage, it's that it's an EXTREME advantage for Russell Hantz in particular. It's hard to imagine him having any success if people had seen the way he played in particular. Would Danielle have agreed to an alliance knowing that he'd be in a confessional calling her a part of his "dumb girl alliance"? Would people have been so blase about the idol if they'd seen his idol magnet skills?<br /><br />Specifically, from this episode, Jerri flipped to Russell's side because of her distrust/past experience with Rob. Thus, Russell had an advantage that Rob didn't, which is the reason why Rob is in Loser's Lounge and Russell isn't. Because I can't imagine anyone who had seen Russell play would ever deem him more trustworthy than Rob (I can see someone judging them to be equally untrustworthy, but Jerri specifically was worried about Rob more than Russell).<br /><br />Also, if they'd seen him do nothing but lose in Samoa, maybe they could have gotten over the perception that because he's a guy, he's helpful in challenges. Of course, that's a perception that seems to invade every season of SURVIVOR, but it's been one and a half seasons now, and Russell's yet to prove anything (this could've helped sway Coach, who was trying to avoid voting out "strong" players).<br /><br />In my mind, this has given Russell not just an advantage, but basically gave him his only chance of succeeding. Obviously this is only my opinion, but I think if people had seen him operate, he would've gotten the Johnny Fairplay treatment (fittingly, since he also tried to curry favour in Samoa by lying about something outside the game).<br /><br />I think the Heroes are in good shape now. The next immunity should go their way, and with the way Russell treated them, it's hard to imagine that Sandra or Courtney (whomever isn't voted off) would flip (particularly since both have friends on the other side). I know we all think that Parvati has an alliance on the other side, and maybe she does, but if you were the Heroes, would you bring over her and her 2-5 alliance mates into your alliance, or simply grab Courtney/Sandra? (Or more specifically, if you were JT, would you go for Amanda's plan, or create one of your own -- he's been splitting up potential alliances all season).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-64860317560105080222010-04-04T18:05:01.399-04:002010-04-04T18:05:01.399-04:00Yo, where is my comment detailing some of Russell&...<i>Yo, where is my comment detailing some of Russell's greatness.</i><br /><br />It got deleted, not because of anything you said about Russell, but because it (like a number of your other comments that I have also deleted from other posts) crossed a taste line in your discussion of the women on the show.Alan Sepinwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-7261058593802101052010-04-04T17:41:21.080-04:002010-04-04T17:41:21.080-04:00All this talk about Russell and no one is giving a...All this talk about Russell and no one is giving any mention to Colby's comeback?<br /><br />When they got the clue about another Idol and decided to find it AS A TEAM was a shining moment for that tribe. I'm glad to see Colby rejuvinated after last week.Travisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-75086525906726191462010-04-04T17:05:29.049-04:002010-04-04T17:05:29.049-04:00Yo, where is my comment detailing some of Russell&...Yo, where is my comment detailing some of Russell's greatness.Thongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-3608615109787214342010-04-04T14:18:47.316-04:002010-04-04T14:18:47.316-04:00Antonio. Russell is from Oklahoma. Oklahoma is lik...Antonio. Russell is from Oklahoma. Oklahoma is like New Jersey is to New York for Texas. Thanks though.david hutchenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02626849640948341332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-90346440756462544292010-04-03T23:44:48.012-04:002010-04-03T23:44:48.012-04:00Russell is a phenomenal player for figuring out ho...Russell is a phenomenal player for figuring out how to get to the end. Unfortunately for him, when people get backstabbed they take it personally. People who get hurt directly by him will keep that in their minds when they go to vote and not vote for him just because he came up with a brilliant strategy to get to the final three.<br /><br />The perfect example of this is Jaison from Samoa. Clearly Russell was the one who determined whether Jaison or Mick would get voted when it was down to the F5. Russell led Jaison to believe that he would be just fine that night leaving Jaison to be blindsided at the voting. Russell assured himself of not getting Jaison's vote that night. If Russell was honest with Jaison telling him that he would be sent home, I think Jaison would have voted for Russell because of the great strategy. Jaison, however, would never vote for Russell with a knife still in his back.<br /><br />I know that we all want the jury to vote for the best player, but they are real people with real feelings that were hurt when they got voted out. I think the same thing is happening again this season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-80903382999237355382010-04-03T19:33:16.638-04:002010-04-03T19:33:16.638-04:00And I think Rob sealed his own fate when he tried ...And I think Rob sealed his own fate when he tried to prevent people from looking for the immunity idol. There are too many good players out there to let someone tell them how they are going to play. I think he unnecessarily antagonized Russell. If he played it more low key, maybe they take out Courtney and he gets to hang around to the merge.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06065203246022528265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-45137980887577738892010-04-03T19:30:53.011-04:002010-04-03T19:30:53.011-04:00I disagree with the people who said that Russell r...I disagree with the people who said that Russell read Coach better than Rob. I think they both had a good handle on who Coach was. I feel some pity for Coach, but like Rob said, he is "a little man." When push came to shove, Coach was unable to sway anyone. He was all alone, force to follow. Coach can see the numbers. When he realized Jerry had gone too Russell, he just followed Jerry. Russell and Parvati's big play was convincing Jerry. Because once they had her, Coach, like his vote, didn't matter.<br /><br />I may have come off as a Russell hater before, but I don't want to take anything away from his game. He played Tyson and that saved his game. It also cut off Coach from the main alliance and he was left with Jerri do all his thinking for him. It was a great play. And he certainly is the engine driving his alliance, just like in Samoa. But just like in Samoa his gameplay is flawed from the beginning, because he has taken a far more likeable person as his number 2. And on top of that, Parvati is less trustworthy, and likely to backstab Russel in my opinion. You think she is going to care about him saving her? Did she care about that stuff in Micronesia? I think Russell is being setup for a fall. <br /><br />IMO, the person who made the weirdest decision was Jerry. If she sticks to her original alliance, she could very easily be top 3. If anyone has seen Sandra play before, how hard is it going to be to get her to flip? Sandra would have voted for Boston Rob in a second at the final 5. But with Parvati and Danielle, she is now aligned with 2 people who she doesn't like and who don't like her. Plus with Russell, Danielle and Parvati have the ultimate jury fodder. And she knows that Parvati in particular has allies on the other side. How long before they turn on her and Coach?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06065203246022528265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-20278304464791362052010-04-03T16:56:02.085-04:002010-04-03T16:56:02.085-04:00Russell's a very good player who could only wi...Russell's a very good player who could only win a final jury vote against someone who's even more despised here than the likes of Keith, Clay and Matt were in the past; Jerri made the right decision for her and isn't coming across as unlikable at all; Coach has gone from arrogant ass to pathetic wimp; and it's hard right now to see anyone from either side providing an enjoyable end to the season by winning. I hope we get some rooting interests before long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-74879690561602656722010-04-03T12:13:29.785-04:002010-04-03T12:13:29.785-04:00Wow, it's amazing the number of times on this ...Wow, it's amazing the number of times on this blog people feel free to express their HATE for someone on a teev show.<br /> <br />The downfall of humanity started when society lost it's shame regarding expressing hate.<br /> <br />Something I never saw mentioned here is the role of the producers in the show. They alone have the power to shape a players public image. The producers make the decisions about what words the contestants say we are allowed to hear. Would you have a different impression of B Rob if the producers allowed us to hear him running at the mouth about "N" words and "F" words? By no means am I insinuating he has said anything offensive, just making the point that we only hear what the producers want us to hear. Unlike big brother which you could watch 24/7 and hear the contestants unedited.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13372197678586797703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-36013930814727147162010-04-03T09:11:04.662-04:002010-04-03T09:11:04.662-04:00On the one hand, this is a great post to help me g...On the one hand, this is a great post to help me get over my Rob-loss . . . on the other did you guys HAVE to remind me about Jenna Morasca's win?!?!?<br /><br />Poor Matt! He's still my favorite contestant, so misunderstood! How can he be equated to CLAY?<br /><br />Anyway what I wanted to say re: Russell Hantz' social game: It does certainly exist. Russell does the DIRTY WORK of the social game, he does it enthusiastically, and he does it well. Someone like Natalie benefitted from him being able to "be the troll" for her.<br /><br />He gets out there, he hustles, and yet when Jerri and Coach wanted to pow-wow alone, he knew enough to walk away. Parvati would have just hung around like a fungus.<br /><br />He's a sharp guy, and I swear to God if that little tramp Parvati rides him like Natalie did I will plotz. At least Natalie seemed like a halfway decent person (maybe less than half). The trouble is RUSSELL didn't know at this time that the Natalie strategy didn't work. And if Sugar is right and Parvati got to watch tapes of his season, she DEFINITELY has an unfair advantage here.<br /><br />God, I can't believe I actually miss Ceri at this point. Anyway I'm happy to root for Russell Hantz - ESPECIALLY if he gets wise (Jerri advising?) and ditches Parvati/Danielle.BlackOrchidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-32863978960315552812010-04-03T02:36:22.929-04:002010-04-03T02:36:22.929-04:00To the above comment, Russel does not actually kno...To the above comment, Russel does not actually know he lost, this was filmed before the final/ reunion aired.JLannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21961094936658789592010-04-02T21:56:50.384-04:002010-04-02T21:56:50.384-04:00ezc23, I feel you, I really do.
However, in refer...ezc23, I feel you, I really do.<br /><br />However, in reference to your line, <i>you are all wrong to assume that he shows it in front of his tribe</i>, this is not something we're assuming. He was downright cocky in that little discussion with Courtney and Sandra, he was very arrogant when he was discussing his plans with Parvati and Danielle, as well as Mick, Natalie, Shambo and Jaison in <i>Samoa</i>. I think the reason most people are upset by Russell and unhappy with Rob going boils down to Russell's arrogance, as you astutely observed. He is a great player, regardless of whether he wins or not, but it's unenjoyable to watch him because of his general attitude. The difference is that Yau-Man, Stephen and Cirie, and even Boston Rob and Parvati, don't really have that big of an ego.<br /><br />I think Parvati, J.T., Tom and Sandra have the right to gloat, since they won, but they hardly do and that isn't a source of annoyance for us. Russell, on the other hand, gloats just because he makes it second, and is so bitter because he made it second, and when you put him together with Stephanie, Cirie, Amanda, Boston Rob, Colby, Danielle and Courtney, who are all runners-up that <i>don't</i> complain and are <i>humble</i>, I think it's understandable for people to not want to watch him anymore.<br /><br />Having said that, I think your points 1) to 4) are pretty on the money. With your 5th point, though, I think Boston Rob reads people better, and maybe even the other Villains do too. I think Parvati and Danielle are smart in their decision to align with him to avoid going against him. I also think that's why Jerri made her decision. I think that's why Coach was afraid to fully commit to Russell's 'side'. And I think Boston Rob read him right, but couldn't convince Jerri and Coach to see it the same way.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00403119049496095966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-30418375824650623482010-04-02T19:18:28.455-04:002010-04-02T19:18:28.455-04:00Dear Russell Haters,
Please stop trying to justif...Dear Russell <b>Haters</b>,<br /><br />Please stop trying to justify to yourselves that Russell is not a great Survivor player. Your constant search to nitpick everything about the man just makes it more laughable that you have such strong feelings about him.<br /><br />For every sport, there is a player that will come along that brings the whole game to different level and what we perceive as a dominant player. Jordan did it for basketball, Gretzky did it for hockey, Ali for boxing, Tiger for golf, and so on. Russell is that player for Survivor. I think Rob`s reaction at the beginning of the episode sums it up best. He`s played this game 3 times now, and he`s never been as surprised as he was in the Tyson tribal council. <br /><br />And that`s not the first time someone`s said that about Russell`s moves. Think about some of the game changers he`s accomplished in his 2 seasons so far:<br /><br />1) Found immunity idol(s) without the help of any clues. (no one even attempted this before).<br /><br />2) Last season in Samoa, his tribe merged with 4 members, while the other tribe had 7. Almost twice the amount of his tribe, and more than enough to pick them all off. In the end, all 7 of them were voted off before any of his tribe was touched. Can you honestly say that Natalie, Jaison, and Mick were capable of accomplishing this without Russell?<br /><br />3) Like the NBA going into the 90s, without Jordan it would have been the worst era for the sport ever. The same can be said about the last few seasons of survivor. Russell`s brought more entertainment into these past two seasons than I have seen for a long time on the show. While it`s had its decent share of characters, no one is quite like Russell. Hate him or love him, he makes you talk about him, and more importantly THE SHOW.<br /><br />4) He`s been targeted more times than anybody else in the past 2 seasons and he`s successfully escaped from every single one of them. Put anybody else in his position last week, would they have managed to get out of it? Rob had a fool proof plan, or so he thought.<br /><br />5) After Rob`s exit, I think it`s fair to say, he reads people in the game better than anybody else. This was a chess match between two juggernauts and I can admit that Rob is arguably the best overall player there. But it doesn`t mean he is better. As the old saying goes, the best swordsman in the world isn`t afraid of the 2nd best swordsman, he`s afraid of the most unorthodox swordsman. And that`s what Russell was to him and he knew it. Russell was able to read Coach better than Rob and ultimately that`s why Rob lost. And why he was so bitter at coach. He thought he had coach figured out, as a so-call man of honor. Russell`s approach was better than Rob`s because he mentioned voting off Courtney first as a decoy. He also knew that coach ultimately will side with his girl crush (Jerri) more than his man-crush (Rob). Good game Rob, better luck next time.<br /><br />Finally, just to refute some of the hate I`ve seen about Russell`s social game. The comment about Natalie & Mick being smart to ride him to the end is like saying my cat is smarter than me because she purrs and knows I`ll give her food.<br /><br />This hate about him not playing a good `social game`and how everyone hates him is wrong. Natalie, mick, jaison never hated russell. Parvarti doesn`t hate russell. He is a bigot and narcissist yes, but I think you are all wrong to assume that he shows it in front of his tribe. Besides, which great player isn`t?? You can go on and on about how he never won (or will win) but I feel that each season there is usually a player that plays the game better than everybody but doesn`t `always` win. Examples are Yau Man in his season, Steve in his season with JT (he was the better player, JT was more the pawn), Cirie in the last Fans vs. Favourite (people forget that she was the one that masterminded voting off the guys, had she won the last challenge, she would have taken parvarti out).<br /><br />So haters, HATE ON... Hate as much as you want, it can`t change the facts.ezc23https://www.blogger.com/profile/15568282122752151985noreply@blogger.com