tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post2094033257162185266..comments2024-03-18T13:50:45.615-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Veronica Mars: Rob Thomas is a whoreAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-79335144107925024082010-01-27T03:15:17.772-05:002010-01-27T03:15:17.772-05:00I, too, watched three seasons of Veronica Mars on ...I, too, watched three seasons of Veronica Mars on the computer in a span of a couple months. I thought season 3 was better than many of the fans who post here and elsewhere. While I prefer the central story arcs of season 1 and 2, I think season 3 was full of terrific character moments. And I liked that the season finale was suggestive without hitting the audience with a hammer. Series finales often fail because they try to do too much; the season 3 finale left strong possible plot threads open for a season 4, even though season 4 did not happen. The last two episodes provided a nice spotlight on all the old and new characters... <br />Ahh, I will miss my late night evenings watching Veronica Mars on the computer. I look forward to seeing much of the old gang reunited on next season's Party Down.kjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-85156737603334046672009-08-13T17:23:18.396-04:002009-08-13T17:23:18.396-04:00The UK is finally running this on free-to-view and...The UK is finally running this on free-to-view and as there have never been DVDs here, that is a beautiful thing that had me spinning to the Internets and devouring 3 years in 3 weeks. It was a hell of a show, and it really seems insane that it was savaged by so many of its former fans in what became its final year. Respect is due.circelilynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-68546796835743800732008-07-07T00:29:00.000-04:002008-07-07T00:29:00.000-04:00Too bad that things ended up like that.When veroni...Too bad that things ended up like that.<BR/><BR/>When veronica was about to face the biggest enemy she could get on Neptune, when she was mostly into hard action, the series just PUUFF...<BR/>into the air.<BR/><BR/>It was a moment for me to see Lilly´s portrait (painting). At that moment i really thought like "fuck this is going darker now".<BR/><BR/>Then, when she could cut a great deal (in advantage for her), she just let the hard drive go, and forgot that she still had all the data copied from the original hard drive, which she could really make clarence and lilly´s father to imitate dogs if she wanted to... that moment, she just knew it was too late for her father situation, and went away...<BR/><BR/>What happened to all secrets she had in possession? Wasnt Lilly´s father afraid of such info to be released and completely expose the "castle society"????<BR/><BR/>At the same time she found another enemy at school, that stupid boy who framed her, and by what he looked like, he was like all the time behing daddys money.<BR/><BR/>Piz was kinda out, and logan was kinda in her life again. Nerves were set on fire.<BR/><BR/>That stupid PI was almost elected as the new sheriff, her mother was away, and clarence was with his attentions on what veronica was doing from that point on.<BR/><BR/>But something has broken up. Audience as EVER was getting out of a good product, looking probably for something like YEAHHH YEAHH YEAHH ZEROES series.<BR/><BR/>And then the definitive 4th season went out to our live on our wishes...<BR/><BR/>What a hell of a ride that 4th season would be. Declared enemies, problems all around, missing relationships, espionage, tension, secrets.<BR/><BR/>WOULD REEALY be the great ending for the show. Fuck that pilot as an fbi grown up... Veronica was best known as a mature teenager becoming an adult, and not a damn fbi agent.<BR/><BR/>Lucy Lawless could make recurring appearances, making veronica close to the FBI thing along the season, and veronica herself to continue her learning process to make the right bindings needed to make it through the criminal world.<BR/><BR/>Instead, it just ended somehow like the stephen king´s endings - "make yourself the ending as you like it to be"<BR/><BR/>Great moments. Great series. Everyone did it well, but this missing 4th season will be missed.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanks to all that read this post<BR/><BR/>Eugenio Hertz<BR/>eugenio_hz@yahoo.comEugênio Hertzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11180581023870940905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-79803429156712819832008-03-27T17:04:00.000-04:002008-03-27T17:04:00.000-04:00I actually found Dick's suffering was very fitting...I actually found Dick's suffering was very fitting. From the start of the season Dick had been a wreak over his brother's death. Whenever he starts the drink he thinks of Cassidy. So leave the writers be.. I've grown to love Dick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-32475177427646321702007-05-25T09:43:00.000-04:002007-05-25T09:43:00.000-04:00I too was disturbed that she'd not look for the ca...I too was disturbed that she'd not look for the camera first thing.<BR/><BR/>I'd assume the Sidekick would do audio recording but will allow the suspension of disbelief needed for the plot. <BR/><BR/>In short, there were lots of things wrong with the episodes, but so many bigger things right; the ambiguity, the dark close [but not a ending..]. It took me full circle back to the tail of the pilot as she drives away questioning what was next...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-36988862125187489662007-05-24T19:06:00.000-04:002007-05-24T19:06:00.000-04:00Any chance you'll do a post-series interview with ...Any chance you'll do a post-series interview with Rob Thomas? I'd love to know what he'd envisioned happening next. Will Logan have a showdown with the Russian Mob? Does Rob think Logan would survive? Will Veronica change her semi-illegal ways now that her behavior has brought her father's career down? Will Piz give Veronica the "You're still in love with him" speech to match Parker's speech to Logan in the finale? Does law-flouting Veronica run up against the rules-and-regulations aspect of the FBI in her internship?<BR/><BR/>Y'know, stuff like that. The closure we'll never get onscreen. It would be awfully nice to know what's in his head.<BR/><BR/>(Or, well, whatever you want to ask. I'd mostly just be curious to hear from him.)Tamarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13499421135493577043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-10865386163163393702007-05-24T16:02:00.000-04:002007-05-24T16:02:00.000-04:00Alan, your column about VM really speaks to me. I ...Alan, your column about VM really speaks to me. I loved this show even when it couldn't be what it was in the first season. Even though the show wrapped its season beautifully, I'm bitter the CW didn't have the grace and class to give it a true series finale. Seeing that season finale teaser by the CW was just a stab in the heart.<BR/><BR/>I'm sad to not have the show anymore even if networks gave it sooooo many "fair shakes." I'm sad b/c it had the best father/daughter relationship on TV. I will miss their dynamic and how. My father and I have a very similar relationship (minus the P.I. biz, but of course) which makes the show's ending really hit me even harder.<BR/><BR/>I cannot wait to show my husband the thing of beauty that is VM, Season 1. He got hooked at the end of last season (I told him he would.)<BR/><BR/>Goodbye, Veronica Mars. Goodbye, Kristen Bell, Enrico Colantoni, Percy Daggs III, Jason Dohring, Francis Capra, Tina Majorino, Ryan Hansen, the Kanes, Sherrif Lamb, Deputy Sacks, Leo, Cliff and, gross, even Vinnie (the thought of him as Sheriff...hilarious and disgusting!) Thank you for all you've given us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-50066181949212609752007-05-23T21:17:00.000-04:002007-05-23T21:17:00.000-04:00Undercover Asian Man, I used to say that film was ...Undercover Asian Man, I used to say that film was the most collaborative medium, but that was before I watched a lot of hourlong television. A quality TV program has to be one of the toughest rows to hoe, and we see evidence of that everywhere -- spotty seasons of 24, the fact that HBO showrunners take such neverending hiatuses (hiati?), flame-out sophomore seasons, etc. To call Rob Thomas (and this is not about Thomas/VM fandom as much as they are just the case in point) a lapdog because he chose to act creatively and collaboratively and preserve VM into a third season on essentially a new network is preposterouly out of line with the practical realities of the TV business. Not only are TV shows relatively autonomous business units/employers that showrunners feel compelled to maintain because of the people they employ (and VM is a big part of the San Diego film scene, as I understand it), but Thomas lucked into amazing chemistry -- Bell/Colantoni as father-daughter is one for the record books, Bell/Dohring is something else and Daggs, Majorino, Capra and Hansen are big wins too, adding up to what may have been TV's strongest ensemble, plus a fine damned writing staff. That Thomas was willing to try to prolong the magic on the CW for a slightly different demographic under different network mandates is hardly ignoble. "The ruination that was Season 3 that, by itself, takes this show out of the pantheon of all time greats?" "I've lost a lot of respect for Rob Thomas as a story-teller, knowing his integrity as an artist has a price tag, and do not look forward to any of his new projects because of this." Come <I>on.</I> We're not talking about Heroes, or the last two seasons of X-Files, where there's a struggle to achieve "good." Veronica Mars is/was always good, and in art, the perfect is the enemy of the good. Hermetic Comic Book Guy/TWOP bullshit doesn't apply.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16944875991712695886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-6964965534098275952007-05-23T20:23:00.000-04:002007-05-23T20:23:00.000-04:00...and as i hit the publish button on a draft....b......and as i hit the publish button on a draft....<BR/><BR/>but really i felt this was overall a sleepwalking season for the character...<BR/><BR/>The network wanted something different. Rob tried to facilitate them. and i think the show feel bewteen 2 masters.<BR/><BR/>When it was good..... it was great...<BR/><BR/><BR/>So long VM rest in peace with Buffy .theblankscreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816105616399659973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-11044232833904680392007-05-23T20:16:00.000-04:002007-05-23T20:16:00.000-04:00Alan I will miss the show...not on the strength of...Alan <BR/><BR/>I will miss the show...not on the strength of this last season...but over all. <BR/><BR/><BR/>When it was cooking on classical gas...this was the sharpest, best written observered show on telly....<BR/><BR/>The last few episodes...sorry Alan... they where really lame. <BR/><BR/>Mystery? ...no.<BR/>Surprise? ...no.<BR/><BR/>It was nice to see VM as the underdog...rumors about her...people talking about her etc etc...but I felt all this did was highlight the very thing that made VM great...and the very thing we have been missing for most of the season VM was the outsider... riducled, mocked, despised...these were the ingredients missing from the entire season.<BR/><BR/>I was completely invested when she was in danger through the emotional vunerability of the video tape...theblankscreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816105616399659973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-46325168532416934742007-05-23T17:58:00.000-04:002007-05-23T17:58:00.000-04:00(Uh, don't ask why I always mix up Rob Thomas's an...(Uh, don't ask why I always mix up Rob Thomas's and Rob Marshall's names as I did earlier. I'm completely mystified by it.)<BR/><BR/>Rob Thomas isn't a one-hit wonder. He created <I>Cupid</I>, Jeremy Piven's tragically killed show. Though casting Paula Marshall should have been perceived as an omen.R.A. Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851961356321735388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-75154153101620243132007-05-23T17:54:00.000-04:002007-05-23T17:54:00.000-04:00Now and Again? "FIND THEM! Find a scent, find a tr...<I>Now and Again</I>? <BR/><BR/>"FIND THEM! Find a scent, find a trail- FIND THEM!" <BR/><BR/>Oh man, Alan, <I>don't remind me</I>...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-48156320703295254452007-05-23T17:16:00.000-04:002007-05-23T17:16:00.000-04:00These past few episodes, particularly the very las...These past few episodes, particularly the very last one, clearly demonstrated the reason why I liked and hated this show.<BR/><BR/>Every scene with Veronica and mystery solving had me alert and interested. She is most interesting when acting on her own, within her own context as PI or daughter. It is the story of Veronica I care to watch.<BR/><BR/>Every scene with Veronica as girlfriend or former girlfriend made me moan. It reduced her to subservient side-character. It makes her seem like every other love-lorn, "Tiger-Beat" reading teen out there, instead of the girl who gets a PI license at 19 and throws herself into danger because she is compelled to seek truth. That this same girl would throw herself at either Piz or Logan, two one-note losers who are both WAY to co-dependent to be attractive to an independent woman, betrays the other Veronica I like much better.<BR/><BR/>Rob Thomas is a whore. I hope he learns a lesson from the rise and fall of Veronica Mars. Stay true to your characters and story. Don't sell out and give Veronica a teen soap anchor-around-the-neck tone because some dumb network thinks its needed. Doing so bought you one additional season, but at the cost of the characters' integrity and also Rob's own. <BR/><BR/>If he would have chosen to stay true to his story telling ideas and characters, and rejected the pedestrian-mind meddling of uncreative accountants, VM would have probably ended after Season 2, without the ruination that was Season 3 that, by itself, takes this show out of the pantheon of all time greats. <BR/><BR/>I've lost a lot of respect for Rob Thomas as a story-teller, knowing his integrity as an artist has a price tag, and do not look forward to any of his new projects because of this. Unless he stays true to himself, he will remain a one-hit wonder who will be given other chances simply because he has demonstrated an ability to be another's lap-dog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-58046506298290623042007-05-23T16:20:00.000-04:002007-05-23T16:20:00.000-04:00My wife felt that was a lousy ending for the show,...<I>My wife felt that was a lousy ending for the show, but it felt right to me. </I><BR/><BR/>I'm with the Divine Ms. M. It was a good ep, but as a series finale, it sucked because I WANT MORE! AUGH!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-31959670678092619032007-05-23T15:19:00.000-04:002007-05-23T15:19:00.000-04:00Loved the last two episodes enough to make me sad ...Loved the last two episodes enough to make me sad it is gone.<BR/><BR/>I agree Piz was wimpy. But it seems to this old girl that a lot of the young adult males promoted as sexy in commercials and such are testosterone lite.<BR/><BR/>Do you figure it was all the product placements that allowed them to bring in the entire cast in the final episode thus giving Piz less prominence?? And giving the line to him was, therefore, choice?Christyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623422545436294378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-82177659881797799022007-05-23T14:09:00.000-04:002007-05-23T14:09:00.000-04:00I loved season one, really liked season two, but w...I loved season one, really liked season two, but was somewhat ambivalent about season three.<BR/><BR/>One thing that bugged me about season three was there was no mention or investigation of the Aaron Echolls murder.<BR/><BR/>Did I miss something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-58999039948982877382007-05-23T13:58:00.000-04:002007-05-23T13:58:00.000-04:00Question, are we to believe that Wallace did actua...Question, are we to believe that Wallace did actually run over that homeless man in Chicago? During his interrogation, didn't he say something about his father breaking the law for him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-3902742215856523052007-05-23T13:55:00.000-04:002007-05-23T13:55:00.000-04:00Not exactly "breaking" news, but Rob Marshall does...Not exactly "breaking" news, but Rob Marshall doesn't seem done yet: <A HREF="http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Veronica-Mars/800015752" REL="nofollow">Veronica movie?</A>R.A. Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851961356321735388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-85814642991751259782007-05-23T13:37:00.000-04:002007-05-23T13:37:00.000-04:00I never cared who Veronica dated. She could have g...I never cared who Veronica dated. She could have gone out with Vinny Van Lowe or even Dick and I wouldn't have cared. I watched the show for the mysteries and the big Lebowski lines. I hated Piz because I thought the money would be better spent on more Wallace, Mac and Co. That was proven in the final episode where Piz barely shows up and Wallace and Mac are featured prominently. <BR/><BR/>I thought the ending was appropriate. I was prepared for this to be the end after this season had been all over the place, it just seemed right. After watching last night I was genuinely sad that it was over. Those two eps had what I loved about this show and why I will miss it. I never get sad when shows I watch get canceled but I was sad over this. <BR/><BR/>Some other thoughts:<BR/><BR/>- If you are in a secret society, emphasis on secret, why would you release a hidden camera sex tape? No good can come of it. It can always be traced back to you eventually. <BR/><BR/>- How did Weevil let them into the computer room? Did they give him his job back? Can that card reader make full access cards as well as full money cards?<BR/><BR/>- I don't think Keith goes to jail. It was too late to save the election for him since the charges were filed and the article written but I think Jake uses his pull to make the whole thing go away.<BR/><BR/>The Venus razer line was part of a series of product placements and mentions that led up to the "Rob Thomas is a whore" payoff.<BR/><BR/>I would have liked to have seen a season with Vinny as sheriff. He was always funnier than Lamb.<BR/><BR/>Blogger is also a whore. I have been trying to post this for a half hour and keep getting errors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-8101325122050264032007-05-23T13:09:00.000-04:002007-05-23T13:09:00.000-04:00One more thing -- I agree with you, Sean. It seem...One more thing -- I agree with you, Sean. It seems like Gory would get in trouble for circulating Castle surveillance tapes to his non-Castle buddies. I assumed for a while that the fake ID ring was linked to the Castle and that the tape was released as revenge, but it seemed like Gory was just distributing the video because he felt like it. And if they tape all of the Castle guys' dorm rooms, this can't be the first time they've caught a couple on tape, why circulate this one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-19830091203941709872007-05-23T13:04:00.000-04:002007-05-23T13:04:00.000-04:00I actually liked the first hour more than the seco...I actually liked the first hour more than the second. Even though the return of Jake Kane was awesome, I thought the Castle was too over-the-top -- shock collars? video surveillance? total confessions? Veronica sneaking into a secret initiation with a camera, again? Maybe I'm just burned out on conspiracy theories, but it all seemed too elaborate and omnipotent. But the episode still worked because it brought out so many good moments between Veronica and her supporting cast -- especially Keith.<BR/><BR/>Part of me wishes Veronica had been sent off with a less ambiguous victory, but the ending was indeed very noir and true to both the show and the characters. Conspiracy burnout aside, these two hours left me even sadder about the cancellation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1303293701825079272007-05-23T12:58:00.000-04:002007-05-23T12:58:00.000-04:00It's also strange that they never actively looked ...It's also strange that they never actively looked for the Castle camera in Piz/Wallace's room. And what was Gory's motivation to defame Veronica? Surely using Castle surveillance for such horndog activities would bring undesired attention their way (as it did).Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16944875991712695886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-87737232519008961482007-05-23T12:57:00.000-04:002007-05-23T12:57:00.000-04:00Kristin, from my wife's take on my Piz-hatred I th...Kristin, from my wife's take on my Piz-hatred I thought it might be a boy-girl disconnect. Now I wonder if any other boys hate him as much as I do. :)R.A. Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851961356321735388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-3609351487093324802007-05-23T12:44:00.000-04:002007-05-23T12:44:00.000-04:00Piz is not an emo. He's just a boring, dull, kinda...Piz is not an emo. He's just a boring, dull, kinda safe guy. And after dating the mess that is Logan, going for someone like this, if even just temporarily, makes sense to me as a girl.<BR/><BR/>When she told Logan she wasn't having sex with Piz, it showed us that this was true. Piz was no love-of-her-life type. What girl hasn't tried dating the 'friend' who has a huge crush on you just to see if you're missing something?<BR/><BR/>And I think she was starting to figure out that she wasn't missing much. Piz is not enough of a match for her. She needs someone smarter, tougher, and bolder.<BR/><BR/>But as a rebound relationship, he makes sense.K J Gillenwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023089365553324315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-34041260005057158992007-05-23T12:38:00.000-04:002007-05-23T12:38:00.000-04:00I will SO miss this show. How people gave up on it...I will SO miss this show. <BR/><BR/>How people gave up on it is a mystery! Even at it's worst... VM was better than most stuff on tv. <BR/><BR/>I thought last night's two episodes were terrific. Veronica was in rare form... so much like the first season. Gosh I wish I was as quick witted! <BR/><BR/>I really liked the ending. It was real and made me say, damn, I can't believe it's over :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com