tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post2670412618801700355..comments2024-03-19T05:50:19.572-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Grey's Anatomy, "Stairway to Heaven": Ghost/not-a-ghost?Alan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-77936550478007818912009-01-26T19:44:00.000-05:002009-01-26T19:44:00.000-05:00"So she did make the choice, and the kid was going..."So she did make the choice, and the kid was going to die."<BR/><BR/>Right. Exactly! But he didn't! Ta-da! Didn't matter. This is exactly my point; they set up an entire storyline around the idea that actions have consequences, and then in the end, that decision had no consequences at all.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08184669198971626945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-48320253173317577452009-01-26T02:17:00.000-05:002009-01-26T02:17:00.000-05:00if your organs were deprived of oxygen long enough...if your organs were deprived of oxygen long enough to begin dying, then no, they wouldn't<BR/><BR/>also, you can't harvet organs without consent<BR/> <BR/>and if you could take organs simply based on the fact that the donor was being executed - slippery slope. i think<BR/><BR/>third ep of Grey's covered donations from John Does - they needed to find family to consent. So Grey's was into transplants very early in the series (but so was Chicago Hope)Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-62724715436824061052009-01-25T23:21:00.000-05:002009-01-25T23:21:00.000-05:00Linda, I disagree about the hard choice not having...Linda, I disagree about the hard choice not having been made - Bailey made it, in Shepherd's operating room. She told him to pick up the scalpel, and later she told the mom to hold her son while he died. So she did make the choice, and the kid was going to die. <BR/><BR/>The other donor's organs came into the picture after the choice was made. <BR/><BR/>Having said that, I didn't care for the pat ending, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-79287691309733888072009-01-25T21:17:00.000-05:002009-01-25T21:17:00.000-05:00I must know - if you are executed by hanging, woul...I must know - if you are executed by hanging, would your organs be viable for a transplant later? I assume not, since they never pursued this option (although maybe it would have been too late then)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-35814883385557403502009-01-25T17:22:00.000-05:002009-01-25T17:22:00.000-05:00Alan, I'd agree that the serial-killer storyline h...Alan, I'd agree that the serial-killer storyline had promise, but then -- as a couple of others have pointed out -- they utterly copped out of a moral dilemma they spent three episodes working on. What makes something like that compelling to me is that there is a hard choice involved. Either you have to take someone's life a few days early (and then where do you draw the line, etc. etc.) to save someone else, or you have to honor the letter of your obligation and the child dies, in a way that seems senseless.<BR/><BR/>For there to magically be another donor at the last second so that they didn't have to make the choice at all? I thought it was extremely unsatisfying, even though I agree that Stoltz was very good and the story was more affecting than most. <BR/><BR/>And I was happy to hear Bon Iver again, as I believe I did.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08184669198971626945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-34271116189523055042009-01-25T16:31:00.000-05:002009-01-25T16:31:00.000-05:00re: the screen time of various characters - a frie...re: the screen time of various characters - a friend of mine and I once scripted (for role laying online) a (what turned out to be) 12 episode Dark Shadows... epic saga.<BR/><BR/>Only later did someone run stats on it and discover it had "86 speaking parts" (typing your dialogue part actually). We had 8 to 15 people to fill these roles (Jeremiah was played by a different person very episode) and our cast was never guaranteed to "show up" any given week.<BR/><BR/>even with all of that, our ongoing battle was: I was focused on futhering the story and Kay was focused on giving everyone *something* to do.<BR/><BR/>I'm please to report that, 9 years later, we are still speaking to each other.<BR/><BR/>Grey's is hard, cause the main cast is just huge. I'm not sure how it compares to ER Of Olde, but I'd be interested. Even House can't find enough story for its cast of 9.Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-5653501216168494242009-01-25T16:23:00.000-05:002009-01-25T16:23:00.000-05:00Pamela Jaye, I am always amazed by your memory for...<I>Pamela Jaye, I am always amazed by your memory for details, BTW.</I><BR/><BR/>thanks :-) But here is my dirty little secret: I fall asleep each night to episodes of Grey's playing on my DVR (ever since I discovered the "playlist" function, and ever since we got external speakers, which mean I can shut off the TV and just till I drift off.<BR/>Of course this means that I remember the first halves of any ep better than the second halves.<BR/><BR/>In this particular case though - I know it because the first time I watched it, I had no idea what was going on - which is a rarity with me and Grey's - so I had to go back ad rewatch it (and the one before it) and actually pay attention, to figure it out.<BR/><BR/>and of course, this is my favorite show (much as I love Scrubs, for example I could tell you what happened in most episode and only generally in the rest)<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, if you tell me the place I'm going is "right behind the KFC" I'm likely to say - there's a KFC there?<BR/><BR/>not to duck the compliment or anything, though. thanks :-)Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-37000392435617180562009-01-25T15:46:00.000-05:002009-01-25T15:46:00.000-05:00Thanks, T-Boz and Pamela Jaye, I remember now.Pame...Thanks, T-Boz and Pamela Jaye, I remember now.<BR/><BR/>Pamela Jaye, I am always amazed by your memory for details, BTW.<BR/><BR/>(And I did read that Melissa George quit the show...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-58638778422615018412009-01-25T10:07:00.000-05:002009-01-25T10:07:00.000-05:00Regarding Kevin McKidd and Sandra Oh: they killed ...Regarding Kevin McKidd and Sandra Oh: they killed me last week with "Owen's best/worst surgery ever" scene. Left my speachless. How can they say so much with so little? Understated, raw emotions are the best. <BR/>I agree that McKidd's screen time is a joke though. I heard that they make him a regular? Why? To make him pop up for two minutes to treat McSteamy's broken penis? Good Lord.<BR/><BR/>CeliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-65769800609291424542009-01-25T01:53:00.000-05:002009-01-25T01:53:00.000-05:00also, what ever happened to Sadie and her secret f...also, what ever happened to Sadie and her secret father? os that going to be a dropped plotline and is Sadie going to just vanish one episode like Hahn? (actually I hope so)Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-11705455753638032612009-01-25T01:40:00.000-05:002009-01-25T01:40:00.000-05:00I believe it was the result of fallout from the in...<I>I believe it was the result of fallout from the interns' surgery on each other; Cristina thought that Meredith should've stood up for her or taken the blame along with her when they were in front of the Chief, but Meredith didn't say anything and let Cristina take all the blame, so Cristina got pissed. <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>that was most of it. though, in the moment, Mer had no idea, so of course she said - right in front of the Chief "you knew?" This was right after the Chief was praising them for dealing with the intern uprising in a more mature manner, which was interrupted by Lexie barging in to apologize and somehow letting it slip that Cristina knew - unfortunately, no one but Lexie and Cristina knew how much she knew (when she "tried to shut it down") or that she only knew about suturing - not edidurals and actual surgery.<BR/><BR/>But somehow it never got sorted out, so when Cristina had to forfeit the solo surgery, and choose someone else, Mer said "just do what you have to do" - thinking Cristina would choose her - and when Cristina didn't, for reasons that were totally unrelated to their fight, Mer then ..accused may be a strong word... Cristina of letting her personal feelings get in the way of doing her job (choosing the right person) and that was when Cristina went ballistic - accusing a roomful of people that "it was your interns too!" - even though, actually, only one of the people she was screaming at was actually in the room (George came in after, Alex was in the scrub room freaking out, and Izzie was probably still in the on call room with Denny)<BR/><BR/>So Cristina accused Mer of "being the one who made it personal" and "not being able to separate her personal life from her work"<BR/>and actually the only reason I know half of this is that none of it made any sense to me the first time I saw the solo surgery selection episode, and I had to go back and try to figure it out.<BR/><BR/>I know - you're sorry you asked.<BR/><BR/>Actually, I'm blaming it all on Sadie (Lexie was *not* going to go thru and operate on Sadie, but Sadie grabbed the scalpel. Lesson? General Anaesthsia is your friend) - though there's something to be said about Cristina's continual lack of teaching which led to the interns (somehow not all *hers*) having to teach themselves in secret.Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-26602927241315951592009-01-25T00:28:00.000-05:002009-01-25T00:28:00.000-05:00Can someone please remind me what the fight betwee...<I>Can someone please remind me what the fight between Meredith and Christina was about?</I><BR/><BR/>I believe it was the result of fallout from the interns' surgery on each other; Cristina thought that Meredith should've stood up for her or taken the blame along with her when they were in front of the Chief, but Meredith didn't say anything and let Cristina take all the blame, so Cristina got pissed. I think. I'm ashamed that I know this, though, and that I'm even still watching this show.Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15433685942766758829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-81971219915205466762009-01-24T20:01:00.000-05:002009-01-24T20:01:00.000-05:00Can someone please remind me what the fight betwee...Can someone please remind me what the fight between Meredith and Christina was about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-71156010807955423002009-01-24T19:16:00.000-05:002009-01-24T19:16:00.000-05:00I can't understand why people do what they do on t...I can't understand why people do what they do on this show. I can't understand why they couldn't use to serial killer's organs (props to Eric Stoltz for a wonderful performance). He's going to die anyway; using his organs could have saved a dozen lives. That's more than the five women he killed.<BR/><BR/>I don't understand why Meredith is still with Derek. It's wasn't about not being an executioner as he sanctimoniously said, he wanted the Dunn to survive so he could die a more horrible death. That would be a death breaker for me.<BR/><BR/>Doesn't matter anyway, I'm just watching for the Hunt and Hunt/Yang scenes which they fortunately haven't screwed up yet and the actors sell like nobody's busness. And great stuff to address the very real PTSD that is the heritage of war.<BR/><BR/>Someone said that there was only 2 mins 44 secs of Hunt this week. Not nearly enough amidst the silliness of the interns and Dead Denny.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010014986025448974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-22061864069343195852009-01-24T00:51:00.000-05:002009-01-24T00:51:00.000-05:00I know this is meaningless, but when Scott Bakula ...I know this is meaningless, but when Scott Bakula arrived on Murphy Brown as a hunky visitor from a war zone (although he was a reporter, not a doctor) slightly worse for wear and for the purpose of sweeping someone off her feet, his name was Hunt, as well.<BR/><BR/>I did cry when the mom came back and told her son it was okay to go - but I always cry... it really doesn't take a lot with me.<BR/><BR/>On a slightly related note - last week's ep of Private Practice featured a whole family with CF. I found it odd that it was not mentioned that Addie had done two years research (fellowship?) in CF, as she told Mer when Mer was questioning her involvement with Bailey's *last* nearest and dearest patient.Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-75523835876968587142009-01-24T00:04:00.000-05:002009-01-24T00:04:00.000-05:00"I agree that Hunt is never around, so much so tha..."I agree that Hunt is never around, so much so that I didn't remember his name until Alan wrote "Hunt" in his last comment."<BR/><BR/>Ha. I also forgot his name was Hunt. I keep thinking Christina is dating Lucius Vorenus (who I adore and want to see more of).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-65811892775370556352009-01-23T18:03:00.000-05:002009-01-23T18:03:00.000-05:00ED, I like your ending better! (although I think t...ED, I like your ending better! (although I think the man should have still been there and his wife should have said no)Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-54647177693593237902009-01-23T17:59:00.000-05:002009-01-23T17:59:00.000-05:00I was surprised how much I enjoyed in this episode...I was surprised how much I enjoyed in this episode. I teared up when Bailey told the kid's mom that it was time to hold him and when the mom told the kid it was okay to go now. And I really enjoyed the complexity of the ending - Meredith not quite understanding why she had to go to the execution, but Derek understanding that in this moment, she needed her best friend. I can barely remember the argument between Christina and Meredith (though I remember thinking that it was excellently written) but I was glad to see them get back together.<BR/><BR/>However, I really hate it when they hit us over the head with the episode's theme, and the "heaven/hell" theme was way too blatantly worked into the script for my tastes, especially in the Denny/Izzy scene, which was full of "I thought I was in heaven, but I think this is my hell" crap. I did like that Izzy finally realized that Denny was there *for her*, not for himself - although it was really a little of both. I'm anxious to stop seeing ghosts and start finding out what's really wrong with Izzy.<BR/><BR/>Poor George. Was he on screen more than two minutes in this episode?<BR/><BR/>I also really like Christina/Hunt, and I think there's a lot of potential there, between two intelligent, wary, damaged people. I'm really interested in this pairing, which has chemistry... as opposed to Lexi and Sloan, which just goes cold for me. Maybe if we SAW a glimpse of the "talking for hours" version of them, I could get with it, but so far, I don't see it.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02239086941985919886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-90187949950066421302009-01-23T17:49:00.000-05:002009-01-23T17:49:00.000-05:00Weird, I was coming here to reply to ED's comment,...Weird, I was coming here to reply to ED's comment, and when I saw that screen cap of Denny and Iz kissing, I was just...ugh. Amazing how the show could take the sexy out of Denny and Iz. He looks like he's attacking her. Bring the sexy back, Denny! But on a different show!!<BR/><BR/>Anyway, @ ED--I completely agree, and thought it myself during the show. I knew where they were going with Chief pressuring the woman for her husband's organs, but I thought--this would be SO much more interesting if it really was an either/or dilemma. The boy dies, or the killer. Someone's going to end up either heartbroken or have their medical oath take a hit, but there would've been something AT STAKE in this situation. i think they mitigated it a little with Mer going to the execution and just crumbling afterwards, but still...the tough questions remained unanswered. What if Bailey really did make the call to stop surgery? What then? I guess that would've been another Iz/Denny callback to her cutting the LVAD wire. But at least that led to an interesting debate (despite the unrealistic fact that Iz wasn't fired when she should've been). This was a little too pat.erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16186483042206438665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-36168367228353903132009-01-23T17:46:00.000-05:002009-01-23T17:46:00.000-05:00MCB, don't bother banging your head into a wall - ...MCB, don't bother banging your head into a wall - Derek will just save you so you can walk with a full head of hair to your execution, annyway.Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-55908389683623494272009-01-23T17:37:00.000-05:002009-01-23T17:37:00.000-05:00Does anyone else think it was a sell out that ther...Does anyone else think it was a sell out that there just happened to be another patient who had organs to give who could save the little boy? I know why they did it, blah, blah, blah, but it struck me as cowardly writing. I think the dilemma between Meredith\Bailey & Derek never fully reached its potential because we knew they (the writers) wouldn't let the boy die. If the stakes had been raised (and the boy actually died) it would have made it more real, and more pronounced. I mean, how easy is it to write that there just happens to be a guy, at the same hospital, who is brain dead, and just happens to be a match? What a cop-out. That boy dying would have destroyed Bailey, therefore giving Chandra Wilson her own storyline (which she deserves) instead of playing off of everybody else.<BR/><BR/>Also, I was laughing so hard and so long at Christina's response to Derek - "You proposed?" - that the emotional impact of her comforting Meredith was lost on me. That was the funniest joke I think I've ever heard on this show, but it was perfectly timed and ill timed at the same time, because it was too big a laugh for that moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-63735122279907769012009-01-23T16:22:00.000-05:002009-01-23T16:22:00.000-05:00Clearly, Denny is a Cylon. Can we please refer to...Clearly, Denny is a Cylon. Can we please refer to him as "Head Denny" from now on?<BR/><BR/>Hey, it makes as much sense as anything else.electriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18265084293417817923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-30494804184882393092009-01-23T16:20:00.000-05:002009-01-23T16:20:00.000-05:00Pamela Jaye:You're as nuts as Izzy. Hogging up spa...Pamela Jaye:<BR/>You're as nuts as Izzy. Hogging up space that others could use. matudgefreganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17121968131763837676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-82357321614733814942009-01-23T15:17:00.000-05:002009-01-23T15:17:00.000-05:00I think I finally put it together. Denny Duquette ...I think I finally put it together. Denny Duquette and John Winchester are THE SAME CHARACTER. <BR/><BR/>He died on Supernatural so that he could come get all Grim Reapery on Izzie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21328980438212299532009-01-23T13:52:00.000-05:002009-01-23T13:52:00.000-05:00sorry for the repeated posting - but hey, it's bet...sorry for the repeated posting - but hey, it's better than one 3 page post! <BR/><BR/>someone on my Grey's list is looking for someone who can read lips, in order to find out what Mer said to Cristina at the end (if anything)Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.com