tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post3891563738557221042..comments2024-03-28T18:01:28.997-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Battlestar Galactica, "The Oath": Operator, information pleaseAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-28489264592860146082014-06-17T00:25:12.556-04:002014-06-17T00:25:12.556-04:00Watching this series now, and it's been a plea...Watching this series now, and it's been a pleasure to read your pieces as I watch each episode.<br /><br />Inspired to post because I thought this episode was a real disappointment; after the excitement that was the start of this season, we're back to some of the show's weakest work: political scheming done with the nuance of a sledgehammer, and characters acting irrationally and inconsistent with how they've been developed.<br /><br />So not only is it frustrating in context -- Earth was an underplayed blip of disappointment and now the beaten-to-death "can we trust the Cylons?" storyline comes once again to the fore -- but it's also a supremely frustrating episode on its own terms. Rather than allow there to be nuance, Moore plays to standard-fare good v. evil; even if Gaeta and Zarek are right, teaming up with the creepy rapists of Pegasus cements how we're supposed to view this as a misguided attempt to overthrow our rightful heroes who, despite the occasional flaw, really deserve all the cred they have.<br /><br />Except they don't! Roslin abdicated her power when the fleet needed her most, all because she couldn't confront her own failure; Adama's military tactics are blinded by personal relationships; Lee and Kara are reverted to Bill Adama foot soldiers after years of character development that brought them into their own. There's a world in which this could be interesting, but when played so heavily toward "root for Adama/Roslin, because they know what they're doing" it ends up frustrating rather than stirringly anti-heroic. And it rings hollow w/r/t the characters, who have developed sense and political acumen and distinct personalities over the past 3.5 seasons, all now thrown out in favor of a clunky "our protagonists team up together!" storyline that seems to think its most interesting point -- that maybe they're really in the wrong here -- is something that nonetheless deserves our sympathy, because they've been the protagonists all these years and we're meant to trust in their intuition however facially questionable (and most obnoxiously: inconsistent) it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-84291974242020863952009-02-04T14:23:00.000-05:002009-02-04T14:23:00.000-05:00Well I'm late on this one but just to say that Gae...Well I'm late on this one but just to say that Gaeta was the perfect person for this not only because of all the torment of various kinds he's been through, but he's already been a traitor. It just happened he was on the "good" side of taking down the president last time. <BR/><BR/>Love the episode, seeing Adama and Tigh together ready to kick some ass, YEAH!!!! I like BSG episodes with some real up close action and cylons. We've not had nearly enough of that lately.<BR/><BR/>-EmeraldLizAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-13893161955041268952009-02-04T09:35:00.000-05:002009-02-04T09:35:00.000-05:00And that's the real problem: it's all nice and wel...<I>And that's the real problem: it's all nice and well to say "the writers want us to believe whatever we choose to believe", but unless "whatever we choose to believe" is so arbitrary as to have nothing to do with the series itself (if some of the comments here are to be believed, one has to imagine two hours of cut material for every episode), what we can believe about the characters and events is limited by what the writers choose to show us, and if the writers aren't aware of the implications of their own stories, they can't really set up the situations they want to set up. You can't create moral shades of grey if you've unwittingly dipped into the black colour pot.</I><BR/><BR/>I agree that what we believe is limited by what the writers choose to show us, but I don't think there's very much that's dipped into that black color pot, which was my point. BSG is all about moral ambiguity. I'm just not seeing anything that indicates the writers want us to believe Adama, or Gaeta for that matter, is right. Even Verheiden saying that Gaeta's motivations are pure doesn't indicate that he's right. The road to hell, and all that stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-83861771897046572362009-02-03T13:00:00.000-05:002009-02-03T13:00:00.000-05:00The humans have only shown themselves to be unwort...<EM>The humans have only shown themselves to be unworthy and deserving of genocide.</EM><BR/><BR/>And that brings us back to the episode Resurrection Ship Part 2, when Caprica Sharon tells Adama that maybe humans don't deserve to survive. Then Adama orders Starbuck to stand down from killing Cain by telling her, "It's not enough to survive. One must also be worthy of survival."<BR/><BR/>With the blood that has been shed in the mutiny, the humans seem to be forfeiting their worthiness to survive.Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-39744415916945791802009-02-03T12:29:00.000-05:002009-02-03T12:29:00.000-05:00Just to clarify: I agree that Ron Moore sets it ou...Just to clarify: I agree that Ron Moore sets it out as true and we as an audience know that it's true. I was simply questioning why all the (non-cylon) denizens of Galactica and the fleet accepted it so readily. It's not a big deal, really. - anonymoose<BR/><BR/><B>CR comment:</B> <I>Because if the Resurrection Hub was that easy to rebuild -- . . . being attacked if it didn't matter?</I><BR/><B>in response to:</B> <I>Small plot point: I wonder why everyone accepts without question that the resurrection hub's destruction means the cylons cannot be reborn . . .</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-23518500017128977662009-02-03T04:04:00.000-05:002009-02-03T04:04:00.000-05:00What's ridiculous is your Mirror Universe/Bizarro ...What's ridiculous is your Mirror Universe/Bizarro world definition of "spoilers" -- which apparently includes addressing a nitpick of the episode under review by referring to an episode from season three, which was originally broadcast over two years ago?<BR/><BR/>If your definition of spoilers is that broad, perhaps you should be telling Alan to shut down this blog and stop writing about television, full stop and period. He's also perfectly capable of articulating, and enforcing, his own spoiler policy. I don't think I've ever broken that, and would have had any comment that did so promptly deleted.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-23939694740432950632009-02-03T03:57:00.000-05:002009-02-03T03:57:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-58897250047770844162009-02-03T00:23:00.000-05:002009-02-03T00:23:00.000-05:00alan, is there any way to get this Craig Ranapia ...alan, is there any way to get this Craig Ranapia to stop posting because the spoilers of his every post are getting ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-44718555744982038052009-02-02T19:24:00.000-05:002009-02-02T19:24:00.000-05:00Small plot point: I wonder why everyone accepts wi...<I>Small plot point: I wonder why everyone accepts without question that the resurrection hub's destruction means the cylons cannot be reborn and that the hub itself cannot be rebuilt. Seems there could be redundant systems - everything else about the cyclons works that way.</I><BR/><BR/>Because if the Resurrection Hub was that easy to rebuild -- or there was a backup stashed some where -- why is it so heavily defended? Why does the Hub randomly jump at regular intervals? Why were the Rebels so reluctant to revel the Hub's co-ordinates, and put such weight on its destruction? Why did Cavil freak out at the idea of the Hub being attacked if it didn't matter?Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-30622865875310267602009-02-02T19:18:00.000-05:002009-02-02T19:18:00.000-05:00By the way, speaking of that interview: way back i...<I>By the way, speaking of that interview: way back in "Collaborators", Mark Verheiden wrote a scene where Zarek cedes the presidency to Roslin because otherwise Adama would throw him in the brig. In real life, we would call a military commander threatening the elected (Vice) President into abdicating in favour of his girlfriend a coup.</I><BR/><BR/>Norgard: The first rule of textual analysis is that your paraphrases need to be accurate. In that scene, Xarek stated the bleeding obvious -- that Adama has never trusted him, and never will. For fraks sake, it's not as if Adama doesn't have good reason -- not least that Zarek had just blithely admitted to running an extra-judicial death squad that murdered at least one member of his crew. (Though, with the benefit of hindsight, whacking Gaeta wasn't such a bad call.)<BR/><BR/>By the way, Adama and Baltar were hardly BFFs either. But while Adama regarded GB as a flake, he was the legitimately elected President of the Colonies and that was that. <BR/><BR/>Zarek also pointed out, to Roslin, that considering his claim on the Presidency was as Gaius Baltar's Veep, his credibility wasn't exactly high among the civilian population either. Not in the immediate aftermath of the escape from New Caprica.<BR/><BR/>If you're a stickler for constitutional niceties, Zarek was -- as far as I know -- perfectly well within his rights to appoint Roslin as VP, then resign. Both acts with the assent of the quorum.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-37892261166496331662009-02-02T19:16:00.000-05:002009-02-02T19:16:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-60654724387958252462009-02-02T16:53:00.000-05:002009-02-02T16:53:00.000-05:00"FWIW, I agree with the Adama decision that Cylon ...<I>"FWIW, I agree with the Adama decision that Cylon FTL drives are a necessity at this point. They know Cavil is out there and will be coming for them, and without the Cylon FTLs, they don't stand much of a chance of outrunning them."</I><BR/><BR/>Speaking of that, Ron Moore makes an intriguing comment in the interview with Mo Ryan last week:<BR/><BR/><I>"[Adama] didn’t exactly put Cylon technology aboard Galactica. He was saying, “Sure, those other ships in the fleet. Maybe we’ll put Cylon technology on their ships.”"</I><BR/><BR/>So, what's the plan again? The fleet can keep running from Cavil with the basestar (they can't "outrun" them unless you believe the rebel Cylons managed to nab all the good Cylon engineers. With drives of comparable quality, the best the fleet could hope for is to keep the distance more or less constant) while Galactica stays behind?<BR/><BR/><I>"Actually, I think this is more of a Cold War MAD scenario... Galactica could destroy the base ship, but not before it destroys the civilian fleet with nukes, and vice versa. And "we'll treat you like prisoners instead of killing you if you cooperate with us" makes zero sense."</I><BR/><BR/>Then they're not really at Galactica's mercy, as the anonymous comment claimed. And you misread what I wrote. I said Adama should treat them like prisoners, but could spare their lives in exchange for their cooperation. Again, this was in the context of the "mercy" comment. In that situation the Cylons wouldn't have much of a choice.<BR/><BR/><I>"This is a mischaracterization of their reaction."</I><BR/><BR/>No, it isn't. This is the relevant part from the transcript. Note the bolded part. Note that Roslin completely ignores the larger part of Fenner's complaints. Note that Adama thinks the problem can be fixed by ignoring it. They honestly didn't understand the problem.<BR/><BR/>Adama: We're still investigating the situation, but it seems that the tylium was seriously contaminated with impurities. Most likely, it's a problem with the refining process. <BR/>Roslin: <B>The hell's goin' on there? That refinery used to be the most reliable ship in the Fleet. Now every day, I start with a stack of messages from the chief -- what is his name?</B><BR/>Adama: Xeno Fenner. <BR/>Roslin: Fenner. <B>Complaining about living conditions, and deliveries, and, uh, spare parts ...</B> and compensation, if you can believe that. We're on the run for our lives, and the guy wants to talk about overtime bonuses. <BR/>Adama: Well, we've been more than patient with Fenner and his production problems. <B>Two weeks of sitting here waiting for him to get his act together...</B><BR/><BR/><I>"Destroying the Hub goes way beyond doing it only for tactical benefits, and dialogue from the Cylons confirms this. They thought the only way they could progress as a species was to be mortal."</I><BR/><BR/>You realise you're making my point, right? If the Cylons thought they themselves would benefit from the destruction of the Hub (they also point out that the Hub is useless to them anyway since Cavil controls it), it doesn't show any goodwill on their part.<BR/><BR/><I>"I believe we</I> know <I>that the rebel Cylons have no desire to destroy humanity -- it goes all the way back to Caprica 6 and the Eight who offed D'Anna during that cave-in on Caprica. They were willing to kill a Cylon to save humans."</I><BR/><BR/>No, they were willing to "punch out" a Cylon to save humans. They were perfectly aware that D'Anna would download into a spiffy new body within hours. Also, remember that they went along with the torture chambers on New Caprica. Remember that they went along with the death squads. Remember that they went along with trying to nuke the colony in the end. They didn't stick with saving humans for very long, did they?<BR/><BR/><I>"I think the writers want us to believe what we choose to believe. They're telling us a story and letting us make our own decisions."</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think when Mark Verheiden says (in his interview with Mo Ryan) that "Gaeta's motivations are pure, [...] and that’s the real tragedy of the story." he's referring to the fact that the mutiny will ultimately fail.<BR/><BR/>By the way, speaking of that interview: way back in "Collaborators", Mark Verheiden wrote a scene where Zarek cedes the presidency to Roslin because otherwise Adama would throw him in the brig. In real life, we would call a military commander threatening the elected (Vice) President into abdicating in favour of his girlfriend a coup. Nobody in his right mind would claim that a government where any official who doesn't kowtow to the military is thrown into the brig (as was Zarek again in "Disquiet" for acting as the Vice President) is anything but a military dictatorship. And yet, Verheiden says "Adama was definitely leaning that direction" which presupposes that the fleet hasn't already been there since the second exodus.<BR/><BR/>And that's the real problem: it's all nice and well to say "the writers want us to believe whatever we choose to believe", but unless "whatever we choose to believe" is so arbitrary as to have nothing to do with the series itself (if some of the comments here are to be believed, one has to imagine two hours of cut material for every episode), what we can believe about the characters and events is limited by what the writers choose to show us, and if the writers aren't aware of the implications of their own stories, they can't really set up the situations they want to set up. You can't create moral shades of grey if you've unwittingly dipped into the black colour pot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-71160270966989564192009-02-02T13:43:00.000-05:002009-02-02T13:43:00.000-05:00Small plot point: I wonder why everyone accepts w...Small plot point: I wonder why everyone accepts without question that the resurrection hub's destruction means the cylons cannot be reborn and that the hub itself cannot be rebuilt. Seems there could be redundant systems - everything else about the cyclons works that way. Probably because they believe Athena but among the common folk who don't know her background (and among some who do but still don't trust her) you would think this would be a questioned assumption. <BR/> - anonymooseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-91761062526175002622009-02-02T13:10:00.000-05:002009-02-02T13:10:00.000-05:00I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, but your commen...I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, but your comments, less so. I think you're a dope with nothing to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-80421742269494032862009-02-02T10:06:00.000-05:002009-02-02T10:06:00.000-05:00Awesome episode. That was the kind of thing that ...Awesome episode. That was the kind of thing that keeps me tuning in (and so much better than watching Roslin jog).<BR/><BR/>I don't share Alan's ambivalence about the mutineers. I want Gaeta dead, as well as murderous Zarek and that rapist from Pegasus. This episode shows that there is no good from Adama's benevolence in the past - amnesty for people like the Pegasus crew, Zarek, etc just comes back to bite you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-47859288558013494142009-02-02T01:09:00.000-05:002009-02-02T01:09:00.000-05:00Is no one else thinking what I'm thinking? That pr...<I>Is no one else thinking what I'm thinking? That pretty much everyone is going to die and we are going to be left with a handful of people (cylons or human, I'm not sure) who will end up as the beginning of the next cycle? And that thought really scares me because it means we will likely see the deaths of many characters we've grown attached to over the years.</I><BR/><BR/>Heh. I look forward to it. Most of these so-called "beloved" characters don't deserve to survive. I can't wait to see Starbuck, Gaeta, Roslyn (just die already!), Zarek and Adama finally bite it. I hate them all. I enjoy watching them destroy each other. It seems fitting. I would be disappointed if the series didn't end in death for all of them. None of them have the moral high ground. They are all despicable and irredeemable.<BR/><BR/>As for who should survive... Lee, definitely, Sam, Sharon and her husband. At this point, I'm more sympathetic to the Cyclons. The humans have only shown themselves to be unworthy and deserving of genocide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-55250722258439054862009-02-01T23:33:00.000-05:002009-02-01T23:33:00.000-05:00Norgard: If you want to second-guess the writers,...Norgard: If you want to second-guess the writers, go right ahead, but then yo might as well write your own show and forget about this one. This show has stated that the Cylons cannot rebuild the Resurrection Hub. It states that the Cylons who destroyed it chose to be mortal, and it wasn't a half measure. It indicates that only Cylons can install the FTL technology (Chief said he couldn't grasp it). It suggests that the rebel Cylons are not going to screw humanity over as soon as they can, and that Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders can be trusted because they are different. Railing against these things because they are bad writing is fine, if that's what you think. However, calling a character in the show like Bill Adama stupid for living in the universe the writers have created, because it doesn't conform to your idea of what that universe should be, seems rather a waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-24223382413547073232009-02-01T23:28:00.000-05:002009-02-01T23:28:00.000-05:00No. That was airlock 12.No. That was airlock 12.JakesAlterEgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05099695249686972253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-91544300362167743302009-02-01T22:49:00.000-05:002009-02-01T22:49:00.000-05:00"Someone on the NJ.com blog suggested that seconda..."Someone on the NJ.com blog suggested that secondary storage is the place where 85 of Tyrol's guys died in the miniseries because Tigh had to vent that area to contain a fire."<BR/><BR/>No, the secondary storage bay is where Tyrol and Cally got stuck in Season 3 when the blast doors came down and they had to be shot out the airlock into a waiting Raptor. I think it was "Day in the Life".Adam Whiteheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-20059261253404936262009-02-01T21:57:00.000-05:002009-02-01T21:57:00.000-05:00I read in a recent interview with Ron Moore that t...I read in a recent interview with Ron Moore that the line "And they have a plan" from the opening about the Cylons was something inserted by the marketing people, and had none of the writers or producers had anything to do with it.<BR/><BR/>In other words, the Cylons didn't have "a plan" at all.<BR/><BR/>Is that really true? Is anyone else feel a sense of disappointment after reading that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-23804304091177950602009-02-01T18:10:00.000-05:002009-02-01T18:10:00.000-05:00Whoops, sorry...I swear that's how the Cylons use ...Whoops, sorry...I swear that's how the Cylons use HTML tags!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-36519621521984282662009-02-01T18:07:00.000-05:002009-02-01T18:07:00.000-05:00[i]How does this translate into "we're not gonna s...[i]How does this translate into "we're not gonna screw you over the moment we can", again?[/i]<BR/><BR/>Destroying the Hub goes way beyond doing it only for tactical benefits, and dialogue from the Cylons confirms this. They thought the only way they could progress as a species was to be mortal. They wanted to find Earth because they thought they would find answers about their God and origins, not because they were evading Cavil's forces. Again, they haven't issued an official apology but the signs are there that the Cylons want to move beyond who they were and what they did before. Finally, I don't think re-building the Hub is like rebuilding a house...if it's even possible after the Cylon civil war, it would be a massive project, and the rebel Cylons have no desire to do it.<BR/><BR/>[i]You don't make alliances with mortal enemies at your mercy.[/i] <BR/><BR/>Actually, I think this is more of a Cold War MAD scenario...Galactica could destroy the base ship, but not before it destroys the civilian fleet with nukes, and vice versa. And "we'll treat you like prisoners instead of killing you if you cooperate with us" makes zero sense.<BR/><BR/>[i]Adama trusts Tyrol on FTL technology even though he has personal being-shot experience that Cylon sleeper agents can betray humanity despite their best intentions.[/i]<BR/><BR/>We the audience have known this for longer, but the characters also now realize there is a significant difference between seven and the five. Maybe leaving Tigh as the XO is questionable, but locking them all up on the fear they'll be like Boomer has no merit.<BR/><BR/>[i]Adama and Roslin were established as too stupid to grasp the incredibly complex concept of "overworked staff + complicated fuel machinery = fleet crippling mistakes".[/i]<BR/><BR/>This is a mischaracterization of their reaction. They were right that the tylium had to be mined. Tyrol was right that the workers needed some a combination of rest and humane treatment. They were too authoritarian, and Tyrol's strike made them realize that. It was a case of bad leadership, but not stupidity or tyranny.<BR/><BR/>[i]The fleet has successfully evaded the Cylons for fours years and found four (three, if you don't want to count Earth) habitable planets.[/i]<BR/><BR/>They have, and that's a credit to Adama and Roslin's leadership. It hasn't been perfect and it's been too anti-democratic, but bottom line, they've survived the Cylons and found Kobol, Earth, etc. But they've also faced close calls regarding resources, and they're no longer following any kind of sign posts to Earth. So when Adama decides that, tactically, the FTL drives will help them, and strategically they need a more permanent alliance with the Cylons, he's making the right decision.<BR/><BR/>I agree that they've made a number of mistakes regarding communicating with the fleet, and their leadership temporarily collapsed after finding Earth. And there are ways to alleviate the dangers they should pursue. I also agree that we the audience, and the fleet, have seen too little about what the rebel Cylons want to do, how they feel about humanity, guilt over the genocide, etc. But your arguments cast Adama and Roslin as stupid tyrants and the rebel Cylons as unchanged from the miniseries, and that's not true. On the general decisions, Adama is right, and the mutineers have no real plan or alternative beyond narrow-mindedness and self-destruction.<BR/><BR/>[i]I think the writers want us to believe what we choose to believe. They're telling us a story and letting us make our own decisions.[/i]<BR/><BR/>I agree, and I love that the show rarely forces us into making us judge or interpret in a particular way. My arguments above are my interpretation based on what is depicted on the show, not what I think the writers want us to believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-90421119990915524802009-02-01T17:07:00.000-05:002009-02-01T17:07:00.000-05:00Aside from the tactical importance for the mutiny ...Aside from the tactical importance for the mutiny of Dee's death giving Felix control of comms in CIC, her absence for me actually has a greater impact. Think of who she was with on last day: Lee, Helo, Athena, and Hera. Dee would be loyalist because she would know that a mutiny would in all probability result in the death of these people she cared about most. I think she would have tried to talk Felix out of it, especially if she learned that he was in league with Zarek. In Bastille Day, she makes no bones about her extreme distaste for her fellow Sagittaron. Once she got wind of Gaeta's angst morphing from disrespect (not using "sir") and general snarkiness (defending Zarek's new law that captains could refuse FTL upgrades to Adama) into sowing mutiny, she would have tried to talk Felix out of it. Failing that, she would have then outted him to Adama. One last Felix comment: don't forget his leg loss has turned him into a budding drug addict for morpha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-29727207127241332262009-02-01T16:30:00.000-05:002009-02-01T16:30:00.000-05:00As to which side is "right": what I've loved about...As to which side is "right": what I've loved about this show from the mini-series onward is that it embraces the complexity of right and wrong. No decision made is ever without its drawbacks. One can almost always see the validity in the other side's arguments.<BR/><BR/>Me, I loved this episode. As we get closer to the known end of the series, all bets are off. I didn't know who might have died in the battle--it might have happened to anyone.<BR/><BR/>I agree that Gaeta's story arc from the start has clearly led him to this point. What I found interesting is that he wasn't capable of seeing his commonalities with the rebel Cylons. The rebels on Galactica--far more than the Final Four--broke with their people, violently and permanently. Gaeta and his supporters don't trust them--and so they break with their people, violently and permanently.<BR/><BR/>I can't wait to see where this takes us.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01288100796201737845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-9956629106934811742009-02-01T15:34:00.000-05:002009-02-01T15:34:00.000-05:00Kensington and I just got confused about who the r...Kensington and I just got confused about who the real victims were. Sorry, everybody!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com