tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post4873105583297106386..comments2024-03-25T19:18:14.047-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Battlestar Galactica, "The Ties That Bind": Mother-frakkin' airlocker!Alan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-60662242926358611342008-04-28T00:36:00.000-04:002008-04-28T00:36:00.000-04:00If I were one of the final five, I think I would h...If I were one of the final five, I think I would have a bit more of an excited reaction about it. Screw going back to work for the old man or old lady, I'd run off to find out what this sh1t is all about. I am dissapointed by the lack of self-discovery the four have had about their experience. I can't understand it from a personal level, but I can as a let's push this last season out to 20 episodes. It could be done alot faster and alot more excitingUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04561649548987731147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-73857110590029032832008-04-24T11:50:00.000-04:002008-04-24T11:50:00.000-04:00Even though I could see it coming, I haven't been ...Even though I could see it coming, I haven't been this shaken up by a death since watching some of the dramatic exits in "The Wire". That's high praise indeed.<BR/><BR/>Now, the question I'm wondering, is not a matter of Tyrol will find out. He'll find out. I'm jsut wondering whether he will kill Tory, or accept that she did what needed to be done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-73407299208864503922008-04-23T14:41:00.000-04:002008-04-23T14:41:00.000-04:00I didn't have the hatred for Cally that many did -...I didn't have the hatred for Cally that many did - she was an accurate characterization of what happens when you put an immature kid in the military and teach them 'followership' (seriously, it's in a manual!) - but I'd agree this was one of the very best episodes of the entire series, and certainly the best since the beginning of S3.<BR/><BR/>Agreed on Hatch as well. I was biased towards him given I wanted to be Apollo as a kid, but he did well against Malden in that one year of Streets of San Francisco, did the campy version of BSG...and then poofed. The guy can act, and I've missed them using Zarek in a big way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-9042456900552094362008-04-23T00:14:00.000-04:002008-04-23T00:14:00.000-04:00On the other hand, at least it's not "frell."Oh, T...<I>On the other hand, at least it's not "frell."</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, Treacher, that's low. You know <I>Farscape</I> never had a frell-fest the way this episode went crazy with the "frakking." <BR/><BR/>IIRC, Tory never touched Chief at all, that was just Cally's fevered imagination. I don't see how Tory gets away the murder, though.Joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093453920666892035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-35849790557469660902008-04-21T23:28:00.000-04:002008-04-21T23:28:00.000-04:00I believe that Admiral Adama is the 5th cylon, and...I believe that Admiral Adama is the 5th cylon, and that Galactica is in fact a resurrection ship. If you look at the galactic seal it is of the goddess Aurora. People are speculating that Star Buck is Aurora. However, I believe it's symbolic of resurrection. From the start, Adama has struck me as a father to all. Perhaps Star Buck, Apollo, Chief, Baltar etc are all cylon hybrids, like the one's we see in the tubs controlling the ships. Thus their prophetic abilites.<BR/><BR/>As for the line "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again"... perhaps for a select few who continue to be resurrected. Perhaps they haven't been able to learn from their mistakes. Perhaps this time will be different.<BR/><BR/>I Believe that Admiral Adama is a lot older than any one imagines, and his progeny is the result of many relationships, from many different lifetimes. Can the hybrids be resurrected? I believe they can!<BR/><BR/>I LOVE the idea of Adama being the 5th cylon. How could you not still love the man, even if he was a frakin toaster? The man can do no wrong in my eyes. <BR/><BR/>I could be wrong. All fingers are pointing at Star buck, or Roslin, or Baltar as the 5th. I think that's too obvious.<BR/><BR/>Or could the 5th cylon be Galactica? Hmmm... like a big raider. Imagine, floating around in the belly of the beast. how have the cylons been able to track them all along? too many unanswered questions. I believe the answers can be found with William Adama and his beloved ship!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-71603702899242357682008-04-21T15:25:00.000-04:002008-04-21T15:25:00.000-04:00Damn I love this show. Easily one of the best epis...Damn I love this show. Easily one of the best episodes in a long while. I think I almost passed out from holding my breath at points.<BR/><BR/>And Cally... oh how I disliked you. And yet I cried so hard for you in this episode, you poor, suffering soul. Rest in peace.<BR/><BR/>Damn, what an incredible hour of TV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-84082643982763754642008-04-21T11:35:00.000-04:002008-04-21T11:35:00.000-04:00From Nicole:"I too thought that Tory might actuall...From Nicole:<BR/>"I too thought that Tory might actually save them, but no, Cally is gone. Was bringing the baby to the bar short hand for "this girl is white trash?" <BR/><BR/>I think it underscored how alone Cally was. She had no support, not even an acquaintance who would be able to watch her child while she went to hunt for her absentee husband. Just another nudge to push Cally toward that airlock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-41184140135871222972008-04-21T11:05:00.000-04:002008-04-21T11:05:00.000-04:00On the other hand, at least it's not "frell."On the other hand, at least it's not "frell."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-16989627317061046822008-04-21T08:54:00.000-04:002008-04-21T08:54:00.000-04:00I wanted so badly at the beginning for somebody to...<I>I wanted so badly at the beginning for somebody to kill Cally--who didn't hate Cally?--</I><BR/><BR/>Um, me? Don't get me wrong, she was never going to be a favourite character, but she was okay, and I certainly have never understood why everyone else felt the need to point out how much they hated Cally every time she gets mentioned (honestly, it was like Colbert going "I hate you so much" every time John McCain appears). Personally, she was there, I felt sorry for her in her occasionally abusive relationship with Tyrol, she was clearly terribly messed up, and the actress was definitely weak, but hate-worthy? I don't see it. <BR/><BR/>Still, it's nice when a show is so well made that they can kill off a disliked character and still have people going "Oh my gosh".<BR/><BR/>AS for the rest of the show, I fpound the Cylon plotline terribly engaging (did we know about the thing between Boomer and Cavil before?) Trying to wipe out the rest of the Cylon race was a terribly drastic step, and assuming the effort fails, the repurcussions should be interesting. All-out Cylon civil war.<BR/><BR/><I>Put me down for another Too Much "Frak" vote. Frak, frak, frak, seemed like it was every other word. They even threw in a "motherfrakker" for good measure!<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>It was almost like a kid that has learned a new swear word and just kept using it. Personally, I find invented swear words just irritate me (and I say this as someone who doesn't swear) - especially with a word like "frak" which is clearly supposed to be "f--k'. They may be neccesary to avoid the censors, but it still seems like a slightly annoying affectation. And when they're using the word as muh as they were in this episode, it's just that much more obvious, because we're constantly being reminded about it.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08196372589248892579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-28298759600782536362008-04-21T02:05:00.000-04:002008-04-21T02:05:00.000-04:00I have been thinking of Kara's disappearance and w...I have been thinking of Kara's disappearance and what could have happened. The old War of the Gods episodes from the old tv-show sprang into my mind as a possible solution and link with the old series.<BR/><BR/>"Viper pilots hear a strange piercing sound as it approaches. The craft has the ability to render people unconscious, as well as make them disappear (War of the Gods, Part I). <BR/><BR/>The "vanished" pilots and spacecraft are transported to a different dimension. When returned to their own dimension the warriors' memories have been erased regarding their abduction experience. (War of the Gods, Part II)."<BR/><BR/>Now GEO makes the link with the new painting of Kara and I'm even more convinced that this is the solution to why Kara disapeared for so long and only remembers being away for 6 hours.<BR/><BR/>What does anyone else think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-77073073339754647892008-04-20T22:58:00.000-04:002008-04-20T22:58:00.000-04:00So...Callie's about to kill herself and the baby. ...So...Callie's about to kill herself and the baby. Tory follows her, and makes sure to save the baby. Merciful Cylon, or something more significant?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-76222300501137450552008-04-20T22:10:00.000-04:002008-04-20T22:10:00.000-04:00I don't think Cally was a Cylon. I think they're g...I don't think Cally was a Cylon. I think they're giving us red herrings. Baltar said stuff to Tory about music that made her think he could be, then Starbuck said stuff to Sam, and Cally said stuff to Galen. Now someone just needs to say something to Tigh.<BR/><BR/>As a post-partum depression survivor, I found this episode full of painful realism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-75639261138643176052008-04-20T18:58:00.000-04:002008-04-20T18:58:00.000-04:00Wow. I really didn't mean to write so much.Wow. I really didn't mean to write so much.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15758923671028899249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-32464275774082658002008-04-20T18:57:00.000-04:002008-04-20T18:57:00.000-04:00Oh, if only Cally were just annoying, but I've hon...Oh, if only Cally were just annoying, but I've honestly thought that she's a self-absorbed and hateful (among other adjectives) woman-child ever since the episode where she blackmailed Baltar, attacked Jammer for no reason, and then murdered Boomer in cold blood. My opinion was reinforced every step of the way after that. But this is the first episode where we've really seen things from her point of view, and she even acknowledged how f-ed up she is. And even though I'm glad she's dead, her actual death scene was incredibly disturbing.<BR/><BR/>And I feel like it was very appropriate for Tory to be the one who killed her. I've always thought that Cally was a person who acted like she could do anything she wanted to people and it was fine because at least she wasn't a cylon; and now that Tory is embracing her "new cylon urges" she seems to think that she can do anything she wants to people and it's fine because she <I>is</I> a cylon and it's therefore in her nature. So that's really interesting to me now.<BR/><BR/>But, for the record, I don't think the final five are programmed. I think they choose who they want to be, and Tory is choosing to be evil.<BR/><BR/>I love this episode because the director really did an amazing job of putting the audience into the characters' heads. And I think the cinematography had the most to do with that. I love the vaselined lense from Cally's POV and that intimidating shot of Kara up through the floor grating. But my favorite was the scene with Cally and Chief where he stood behind her and his voice was muffled and he was completely out-of-focus the entire time.<BR/><BR/>Michael Taylor, if everyone doesn't know, was the one who wrote "Unfinished Business" last season, which is another episode that really let the visuals tell the story rather than dialogue (which is why it's one of my favorite episodes of the show), and that was really great to see again here. Even though some Michael Angeli-ness did creep into the fight/frak scene between Kara and Sam. I was like, "Why are you still talking? Just start having angry sex. We'll get it!"<BR/><BR/>I find it amusing that, of all the pilots that we actually know by name (that I can think of anyway), the only one who is not on the Earth-finding mission is Racetrack. Personally, I wish she were there instead of Seelix, but I guess with Helo and Lee gone, someone had to stay and be the new CAG.<BR/><BR/>And as for the cylon civil war, I really don't think that the writers will let Natalie (and the other sixes and eights and presumably twos) really die. I think Boomer might actually do something to stop it. She's trying so hard to just be a machine like Cavil, but she can't seem to give up her belief that they really are people with souls. Poor girl.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, great, great episode.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15758923671028899249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-40506820539076640542008-04-20T13:21:00.000-04:002008-04-20T13:21:00.000-04:00I didn't hate the character of Cally, I didn't lik...I didn't hate the character of Cally, I didn't like the actress chosen to play her. (I think the producers thought of her initially as a bit player, then made her kill Boomer and marry Tyrol for plot reasons and I believe they were hoping the actress would mature into the role). <BR/><BR/>One theory - in the same episode that Cavil sought revenge on Six, Tory killed a person who killed another Cylon. It wasn't direct revenge but a parallel of sorts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-7019099392715104952008-04-20T09:02:00.000-04:002008-04-20T09:02:00.000-04:00I also didn't hate Cally. I thought she was playe...I also didn't hate Cally. I thought she was played by a terrible actress, don't get me wrong, but her character wasn't all that bad and she was kinda cute.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And to whoever posted that Tiki Bar thing... shame on you. That was horrifically bad.Bobmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01604050338240551711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-25176321136358350382008-04-20T00:50:00.000-04:002008-04-20T00:50:00.000-04:00-who didn't hate Cally?I didn't hate Cally. I love...<I>-who didn't hate Cally?</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't hate Cally. I loved Cally. She was cute, she was practically a civilian (I think she started off as a reservist) doing a military job. I don't spend any time on the fan sites so I'm actually surprised that she was hated.<BR/><BR/>I'll miss her.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17612053998028595087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-81284309337346117062008-04-19T16:53:00.000-04:002008-04-19T16:53:00.000-04:00Also, why couldn't Kara just go back whence they c...<I> Also, why couldn't Kara just go back whence they came? Does Galactica not keep of a log of all the points in space they've jumped from?!!!? </I><BR/><BR/>The only way going back where they came from would be the fastest route to earth is if the fleet was headed exactly in the opposite direction of the proper heading. Considering all the maps we saw Kara working with it would seem that she has plenty of info about previous jumps.<BR/><BR/>On a side note I would never ever want to play tennis with Tory. That is one wicked backhand.So it goeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08105825401590556983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-63278570686127693972008-04-19T15:52:00.000-04:002008-04-19T15:52:00.000-04:00Yep, in the shower this morning I was still proces...Yep, in the shower this morning I was still processing it... and I saw it on the feed.<BR/><BR/>Cally very well could be the fifth Cylon -- they don't make 'em all the same, with Cavil as imperious leader, Doral and Simon specifically as followers. Cally could be the model that follows their spiritual leader -- Tyrol -- without knowing just how programmed her stalking was.<BR/><BR/>I mean, if you had a crush on a man who was revealed to have sex with the thing that attempted to assassinate your Captain, *would you let him hit you*? Would you marry and have a child with him, even though on New Caprica you could have your pick of a free, safe masculine population? <BR/><BR/>No, the Cylon rap about fertility is that love has to be there -- and since they're the ones with the anxiety, they must be the ones to feel love. If that's the case, since one can't force love from another why didn't Leoben drug Kara and impregnate her? I think it matters whether the Cylon female is in love (who can say what Helo felt, on Caprica, running for his life); thus, Nicky could be Cally's full-Cylon love child.<BR/><BR/>Then again, I just might be avoiding the whole "how can that bitch even touch Nicky, let alone swoop in to raise the lil' toaster" thing....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-82515842071228246492008-04-19T13:54:00.000-04:002008-04-19T13:54:00.000-04:00From Bear McCreary:I planned these transpositions ...From <A HREF="http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=245" REL="nofollow">Bear McCreary</A>:<BR/><BR/><I>I planned these transpositions so that the next shift (down to Db) would coincide with Tory’s appearance in the airlock. Db minor is the key in which I set "All Along the Watchtower" for "Crossroads Pt II" and it has come to represent the Final Four cylons. As Tory appears, the score drops from D to Db, and the very familiar electric sitar and tabla drone sneaks in.<BR/><BR/>As Tory explains herself to Cally, the yialli tanbur, duduk and zhong hu play statements of the Final Four theme...</I><BR/><BR/>So it wasn't the same theme, but there was some overlap and interplay.R.A. Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851961356321735388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-30775195456925647092008-04-19T12:58:00.000-04:002008-04-19T12:58:00.000-04:00Hmmm I never really wanted Cally dead... I just wa...Hmmm I never really wanted Cally dead... I just wanted her to not be in the show. I felt a little sad when she got sucker... kicked? But then I thought, at least it was only Cally, haha. Shame on me.<BR/><BR/>How is Tory gonna explain this one? I just happened to wander to the airlock and found your kid outside, but Cally jettisoned herself outta here?<BR/><BR/>Also, why couldn't Kara just go back whence they came? Does Galactica not keep of a log of all the points in space they've jumped from?!!!? It's things like these that I have trouble ignoring and thus ruin parts of the episode for me, so hopefully someone has a reasonable explanation for this.<BR/><BR/>I'm starting to find that I find almost every single character on the show annoying. Probably the only characters I like now are Bill Adama, Cottle, and I'm starting to like Helo again. Of course, six looked especially good this episode, but I don't count the none final five Cylons.Kenrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06346565881555687494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-27924151012231540022008-04-19T12:40:00.000-04:002008-04-19T12:40:00.000-04:00Cally is Charlie. Annoying as can be until they k...Cally is Charlie. Annoying as can be until they kill her off. I must say that I was distracted with just how fat that little kid playing Nicky was. It seemed he doing pretty well on that Algae mush Cally was so worried about. Cute but chubby.<BR/><BR/>I don't think that Tori is making a play for the Chief, I think that was a part of Cally's paranoia. If I hadn't have known going in that Cally was going to die I would have thought that Tyrol (who is finally likeable as a Cylon) would have convinced her it was the coctail of drugs that made her hallucinate.<BR/><BR/>I am so over Lee Adama. I would much rather have seen straight up political wrangling between Zarek and Roslin. Lee is the new Helo with his sanctimoniousness.<BR/><BR/>Poor Sam getting a few home truths from Krazy Kara. I guess the moral of the story is that Cylon's have crappy love lives.Taleenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465468178554091355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-85840736499721763182008-04-19T11:25:00.000-04:002008-04-19T11:25:00.000-04:00Amazing episode. Not much else to say.As a tribut...Amazing episode. Not much else to say.<BR/><BR/>As a tribute to dear, departed Cally, check out her two part appearance on the wonderful video podcast Tiki Bar TV...<BR/><BR/>http://www.tikibartv.com/tikibar_display.php?vid=20&pver=f8<BR/><BR/>And<BR/><BR/>http://www.tikibartv.com/tikibar_display.php?vid=24&pver=f8<BR/><BR/>She's actually quite charming in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-12387228798090146862008-04-19T11:19:00.000-04:002008-04-19T11:19:00.000-04:00Hmmm. My impression of Tory caressing the chief's ...Hmmm. My impression of Tory caressing the chief's arm was that she saw Cally come in, then took his arm. I thought she was trying to push Cally to the edge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-67220407380369752262008-04-19T09:44:00.000-04:002008-04-19T09:44:00.000-04:00Also, when we were watching the show on Cally-visi...Also, when we were watching the show on Cally-vision (through a vaselined lens) I'm pretty sure we were supposed to think her perspective was off because of the drugs she was on.<BR/><BR/>So does anyone remember whether Tory was holding the Chief's arm only in the Cally-vision shots?<BR/><BR/>Because that would really inform my opinion on whether Tory is after the Chief for herself or whether she was just protecting the Final Four from being outed by Cally (not to mention protecting Nicky, another next generation Cylon).Tony Dayoubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04632329277519635858noreply@blogger.com