tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post5199368370030909326..comments2024-03-28T18:01:28.997-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: The Shield: Time to take out the trashAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-62724135895749538222007-04-14T05:41:00.000-04:002007-04-14T05:41:00.000-04:00Jim: Yeah, you're right. That should make things a...Jim: Yeah, you're right. That should make things all the more interesting, and really, based on Vic's past indiscretions, something that should have happened a lot earlier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-36156333201531241912007-04-12T12:31:00.000-04:002007-04-12T12:31:00.000-04:00Tavon had a miraculous recovery from his beating (...Tavon had a miraculous recovery from his beating (and the enusing car crash), but Vic convinced him that telling the truth about what happened would hurt Tavon as much as Shane. Don't know if Tavon's still on the force, but he's long gone from The Barn.<BR/><BR/>And to get back to the earlier question about Vic's self-image, I've always thought that what's so interesting about this show is that its main character is a bad cop who considers himself a good cop. There's a scene in episode six where Vic discusses some of his past actions in a way that suggests he can justify them all (or most, maybe not the money train) in his head.Alan Sepinwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-47878721329641752232007-04-12T12:28:00.000-04:002007-04-12T12:28:00.000-04:00One thing I'm surprised has never come back up: th...One thing I'm surprised has never come back up: the one-time member of the Strike Team that Shane nearly beat to death. Is he still hospitalized? Will he ever reappear to talk about what happened?Edward Copelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12463676135131274426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-49504102089229670542007-04-12T09:02:00.000-04:002007-04-12T09:02:00.000-04:00filipe, Thanks for clearing that up for me.Anonfilipe,<BR/><BR/> Thanks for clearing that up for me.<BR/><BR/>AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-31396738097595190702007-04-12T02:56:00.000-04:002007-04-12T02:56:00.000-04:00I heard the new guy isn't a replacement for Lem, b...I heard the new guy isn't a replacement for Lem, but for Vic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-949757220084971372007-04-11T23:55:00.000-04:002007-04-11T23:55:00.000-04:00Anon: Admittingly I may have a hazy history concer...Anon: Admittingly I may have a hazy history concerning Kav's coming to the Barn, though I always thought that he was a good cop, albeit a prick that liked to push the limits. That's the first impression that I got when watching him the first time when he did that whole "kid in preschool" shtick that he did when first meeting with Corine (sp?).<BR/><BR/>That said, I really seem to be making much ado about nothing, as it's the latter part of his career that's really the only thing worth worrying about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-30758149673486014772007-04-11T23:39:00.000-04:002007-04-11T23:39:00.000-04:00dark tyler, My understanding was the same as andr...dark tyler,<BR/><BR/> My understanding was the same as andrew's. But I certainly could be wrong.<BR/><BR/>ooda,<BR/><BR/> I don't have the previous season on hand, but I seem to recall that Kavanaugh was considered damaged goods even before he arrived at the Barn, not one with a stellar record. So certainly there was some groundwork for the "Vic Mackey's so tough my mind snapped" conclusion we saw this week.<BR/> And I think the Aussie was in the preview for next week.<BR/><BR/>AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-90472832226535261402007-04-11T22:42:00.000-04:002007-04-11T22:42:00.000-04:00On another note, I think that it was the stealing ...On another note, I think that it was the stealing of the money from the Armenians that really made Vic realise he's no longer doing what he's doing for the greater good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-51929129507438438622007-04-11T22:40:00.000-04:002007-04-11T22:40:00.000-04:00I always took it as Kavanaugh being so caught up i...I always took it as Kavanaugh being so caught up in needing to control the situation, which prior to the whole Lem killing he was doing, that when he felt himself losing it, he had to do something to get it back. That and he always thought of himself as being smarter than everyone else in the room, or rather, he was a master at psychological warfare, so not having Vic come undone was a blight on his, presumably, stellar record.<BR/><BR/>Though I did read on TV Guide that Shawn Ryan said Whittaker might be back later on, but that it all depends on his prior commitments (being that an announcement was made about another film he's in today, it looks more unlikely that it will happen).<BR/><BR/>Question: When do we get to see the Aussie join the strike team (he's on the official site so it can't be long), and Alan, I don't know if you've seen the episodes in advance, but is he a worthy replacement for Lem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-91458042767251482552007-04-11T16:48:00.000-04:002007-04-11T16:48:00.000-04:00He wasn't a squeaky-clean supercop type. He THOUGH...He wasn't a squeaky-clean supercop type. He THOUGHT OF HIMSELF as a squeaky-clean supercop type. Kinda like Vic. But right from the start there was something off like him, like his creepy "Here, have a stick of gum" games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-91590857538108972442007-04-11T16:12:00.000-04:002007-04-11T16:12:00.000-04:00Early on, I think Vic justified most of his actio...Early on, I think Vic justified most of his actions as victimless crimes. It's only last season where he finally admitted to himself out loud, that yeah, the ends haven't justified his means, or it's been more about himself than the greater good. <BR/><BR/>I don't even think Vic feels he'll ever have "peace", as Kavanaugh said (I think Kavanaugh has clearly snapped, though, and will likely spend some time in psychiatric care). But he's not going to let Kavanaugh have that satisfaction of admitting it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-81062465197479952842007-04-11T14:50:00.000-04:002007-04-11T14:50:00.000-04:00There's a Byzantine Latino quarter in LA, so the "...There's a Byzantine Latino quarter in LA, so the "Byz Lats" hail from there, presumably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-25749128129719822512007-04-11T14:43:00.000-04:002007-04-11T14:43:00.000-04:00"Shane said something during the ending scene abou..."Shane said something during the ending scene about Lem not listening to the offer to go to Mexico. Outside of the scene where Shane killed Lem, was there a scene where they discussed that? Or did Shane just admit to talking to Lem that night?"<BR/><BR/>This was the first thing I thought of as well. As much as I am enjoying Walton Goggins very sympathetic performance this year, Shane needs to go down and hard. I just can't feel sorry for Shane.<BR/><BR/>As to the question of whether or not Vic considers himself a good guy: I think he truly believes that a lot of the bad things he's done he had to do, and a lot of those things made the streets safer. However, I'm pretty sure that deep down inside he recognizes the horrific things he's done as well, and I think this season and next that is a side of Vic we will see more and more. (Or at least I hope.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-74904438645029717712007-04-11T14:32:00.000-04:002007-04-11T14:32:00.000-04:00Regarding Whitaker's arc, I believe that when Whit...Regarding Whitaker's arc, I believe that when Whitaker originally signed on to the show, it was to be a 13-episode full season, which at the time was considered to possibly be the last. It was sometime after Whitaker signed on that FX decided to increase the order to 21 and subsequently split the order up into separate seasons. So there definitely was a time when Kavanaugh was possibly going to be the guy to take Vic down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-13258295097051817502007-04-11T14:25:00.000-04:002007-04-11T14:25:00.000-04:00anon, back when seasons 5 and 6 were still suppose...anon, back when seasons 5 and 6 were still supposed to be an oversized final season 5, Forest Whitaker was still never supposed to last more than a dozen of episodes.<BR/><BR/>After all, back then Lem wasn't even supposed to die, and it's his death that got Ryan to ask for an additional season. So, I don't think that they got rid of Kavanaugh to milk this or anything. That's just the story. Vic was never supposed to go down because of this.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I just have to ask something. That last scene got me thinking, although I suspect it's not a very original question. Does Vic really consider himself a worthy man? Kavanaugh asked him if he'll sleep well at night, and I realized I really don't know the answer to that question. Does Vic Mackey think he is, all things considered, a <I>good</I> guy?<BR/><BR/>And another thing. Claudette may be all "let's fight for the truth" right now, but when she realizes that Vic could single-handedly fix her stats by doing what he's always done, how is she going to react?dark tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461345493748899275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-78311209037071760862007-04-11T13:58:00.000-04:002007-04-11T13:58:00.000-04:00I do love live captioning. I remember enjoying th...I do love live captioning. I remember enjoying the "Late Late Show with Tom Snyder" just for the captions sometimes. <BR/><BR/>And true, I don't think I'd want my kids learning to read from "The Shield." Though I will admit, when our second child was still new and spending a ridiculous amount of time sleeping on my chest, I did watch the first two seasons of "The Wire" on DVD. Sound off, of course.<BR/><BR/>Still, few things are more chilling--or more fun to repeat around the house--than Alec Baldwin doing Sir Topham Hatt on "Thomas the Tank Engine." Seriously. It's like he was practicing for Donaghy.David J. Loehrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03730376433424754068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-69877771144538353932007-04-11T13:02:00.000-04:002007-04-11T13:02:00.000-04:00Shane said something during the ending scene about...Shane said something during the ending scene about Lem not listening to the offer to go to Mexico. Outside of the scene where Shane killed Lem, was there a scene where they discussed that? Or did Shane just admit to talking to Lem that night?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-63776925821054816632007-04-11T12:45:00.000-04:002007-04-11T12:45:00.000-04:00The captioning on live shows like "Today" will alw...The captioning on live shows like "Today" will always be goofier, because the captioners are doing it live, whereas for something like "The Shield," they're given a script and/or a copy of the episode well in advance. <BR/><BR/>And I'm hoping you don't watch "The Shield" with your kids in the room, sound off or no, or else it might be time to call in a social worker...Alan Sepinwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-42643029992478369022007-04-11T12:36:00.000-04:002007-04-11T12:36:00.000-04:00Back when we had our first child, we started using...Back when we had our first child, we started using the closed captioning so we could watch quietly while he slept on one of us. Then we left it on, because he enjoyed seeing the words and it really seemed to accelerate his reading and comprehension. Now, the second child's doing the same thing.<BR/><BR/>So we end up catching throwaway lines on The Office, 30 Rock, or spelling things like "byz." There's also a lot of typos--especially goofy ones on the Today show, for some reason--but when something's repeated over and over, I assume it's intentional.<BR/><BR/>I never really thought about "byz lats" until today, just accepted it as a gang name. Now I want to know more...David J. Loehrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03730376433424754068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-548425020962410422007-04-11T12:22:00.000-04:002007-04-11T12:22:00.000-04:00See, now this makes sense. I just assumed it was "...See, now this makes sense. I just assumed it was "biz" as in business.Alan Sepinwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-15420229359099823872007-04-11T12:01:00.000-04:002007-04-11T12:01:00.000-04:00I'm not sure what this would mean in the context o...I'm not sure what this would mean in the context of the show, but "Byz Lat" usually means "Byzantine Latin."David J. Loehrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03730376433424754068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-18223860824700547342007-04-11T11:40:00.000-04:002007-04-11T11:40:00.000-04:00Agreed with Kristin above. This makes me so, so ha...Agreed with Kristin above. This makes me so, so happy.<BR/><BR/>Now if they'd move the show to Thursdays at 10...Old Man Snaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14985199714395898021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-28946325478609979702007-04-11T10:14:00.000-04:002007-04-11T10:14:00.000-04:00For reference: Though I forgot what the abbreviati...For reference: Though I forgot what the abbreviation stands for, it is usually written "Byz Lat", not "Biz Lat." Three cheers for closed captioning.<BR/><BR/>AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-3413297706144793612007-04-11T10:10:00.000-04:002007-04-11T10:10:00.000-04:00Alan, I'm not sure if it's my comment you're refe...Alan,<BR/><BR/> I'm not sure if it's my comment you're referring to, but I think I did say something about a betrayal of character in the premiere. My point was not that Kavanaugh was squeaky clean, but rather that he'd been set up as obsessive about the letter of the law -- even to the point of not bending the rules to benefit his own psychologically damaged wife. His obsessiveness was deeply unhealthy -- this is <I>The Shield</I> after all -- but it added a sense of moral indignation to his pursuit of Mackey, and it didn't involve poorly executed frame-ups. I thought Claudette's incredulity at what he did said it all.<BR/><BR/>This episode let Whitaker out of the show as gracefully as it could, as you wrote, by having him admit that Vic dragged him down into the muck. I don't think Kavanaugh would have fallen so far and so fast if this had truly been the last season, and I'll always be curious as to how that series ending storyline would have played out. But Kavanaugh became irrelevant as soon as a new season was announced. <BR/><BR/>Clearly John's parting "Mackey's your problem now" hands off the torch to Claudette -- which is fine with me, if it means more CCH Pounder. Promotions for female TV cops aren't always beneficial -- see Claudette's previous promotion, and Melissa Leo's promotion on H:LOTS -- and I'm hoping the writers find a way to give Claudette her due. Certainly her speech in this episode made explicit her goal to act as a moral force in the Barn, something that's going to put her on a collision course with Mackey.<BR/><BR/>And add Ronnie to the list of people who should be suspicious of Shane. It sounds like we'll get a Shane/Vic showdown in a few episodes, and I understand why Vic's obsession is blinding him at the moment, but Shane's entire demeanor just radiates guilt. And it looks like things will get worse next week.<BR/><BR/>AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-68066496062090002052007-04-11T09:54:00.000-04:002007-04-11T09:54:00.000-04:00From his first appearance, despite his squeaky cle...From his first appearance, despite his squeaky clean record, there was something disturbingly "off" about Kavanaugh's behavior, so a slide into corruption made sense to me. <BR/><BR/>I liked Claudette's "All this... FOR MACKEY?" reaction, which had dynamite delivery by Pounder and a great summation of Wyms' relationship to Mackey. She doesn't think Vic is worth the trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com