tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post1212346690297802017..comments2024-03-28T18:01:28.997-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: American Idol: Can't anyone here produce a TV show?Alan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-16980344651810961492010-04-29T17:29:22.844-04:002010-04-29T17:29:22.844-04:00its a Fox/ AT&T conspiracy! The Uverse DVR is ...its a Fox/ AT&T conspiracy! The Uverse DVR is the only one that can solve the issue, albeit with one or two of the shows in standard-defjimmonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-57576421292036952562010-04-29T10:22:02.646-04:002010-04-29T10:22:02.646-04:00Alan, regarding the extra judge versus the extra s...Alan, regarding the extra judge versus the extra songs, do you think the producers did it to save money? I can't imagine that the rights fees for all those extra songs wouldn't exceed what they're paying Kara.Stonecutternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-70929453849290378722010-04-29T00:58:09.771-04:002010-04-29T00:58:09.771-04:00For me the biggest issue came last week when I was...For me the biggest issue came last week when I was watching Glee LIVE and had the final number interrupted by the local 9 pm newscast; no amount of DVR padding would've corrected that one.<br /><br />Needless to say, I wasn't happy this week when I actually had to DVR the show and lost the last part of Kristin Chenoweth's brilliant rendition of "Home." We will definitely be padding the show until AI is over.<br /><br />...and if AI runs long and causes the preview of "The Good Guys" to start late, there will be hell to pay. Seriously; I'll send Bradley Whitford's pornstache after Ryan Seacrest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-76172948986017583582010-04-28T22:08:53.087-04:002010-04-28T22:08:53.087-04:00Yeah, this has become a problem. Would be easily r...Yeah, this has become a problem. Would be easily rectified if Fox could rerun the episode of Glee on Saturday night like they did with the Madonna episode last week (though they didn't with the stupendous Kristin Chenowith episode this week). It seems however that TPTB that control the American Idol juggernaut will not change things (the lack of comments on the problem by the network post-broadcast speaks VOLUMES) and we're all stuck.<br /><br />I'd add five minutes to the recording of Glee... if I wasn't recording Lost (which takes priority over AI and sometimes runs over time) and V and Parenthood on NBC in the same timeslot as Glee. It creates a big problem because the DirecTV DVR (as with most DVRs in homes) I have won't record three programs simultaneously. I don't care for AI but it upsets me that Glee gets cut off. And also, there is the problem that people now have no idea when AI will end. It could be as short as a minute over or as long as 20 minutes over (which I think is just ridiculous). I remember railing against this error when they completely cut off a full scene at the end of Fringe last season and I went ballistic. Eventually saw the scene on Hulu but that shouldn't be happening with a show like American Idol.<br /><br />And programs can't just start recording when a program begins in a DVR. This isn't like VCR recording, where you can adjust. The system guide is programmed in half hour increments and records based on time, NOT the program airing.<br /><br />It's times like this where I just think Fox is a really incompetent network.Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-17581459189643314042010-04-28T19:16:10.045-04:002010-04-28T19:16:10.045-04:00There is another solution to be had here, but it w...There is another solution to be had here, but it would cost Fox money on their bottom line. Many shows on other networks have gone to the 58 minute format. This cuts out a commercial or two in the 10 oclock hour series but gives them another couple of commercials in the previous hour.<br /><br />Going to a 58 minute format for Glee would solve so many issues, because its not often that the overrun is more than those 2 extra minutes. Plan for the overrun on the network level and make sure you make that episode of Glee end at 10 no matter what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-90188215824577042202010-04-28T15:51:05.309-04:002010-04-28T15:51:05.309-04:00Like others above, my Tuesdays are packed with DVR...<em>Like others above, my Tuesdays are packed with DVR bizness, and GLEE going over a few minutes just blows everything to heck. Damn you, AI! Damn you to hell!</em><br /><br />dez, I love that you damned it to Hell just a few words after everything got blown to heck. Nicely done.<br /><br />And I third the shock collars. Hell, how about the exploding kind from the movie version of <em>The Running Man</em>?Hatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01184680741873873714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-72292377859712830122010-04-28T15:33:54.369-04:002010-04-28T15:33:54.369-04:00Of course, as with The Good Wife and Parenthood, I...Of course, as with The Good Wife and Parenthood, I could always just catch Justified on On Demand -- that's assuming that they would be showing the original version.Melanienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21771022851263571432010-04-28T15:32:12.161-04:002010-04-28T15:32:12.161-04:00"I believe that the extra minute or so is to ...<i>"I believe that the extra minute or so is to squeeze in an extra commercial or two in prime time."</i><br /><br />Huh, that's a thought. I'd like to know for sure though, as I know it wouldn't be the first time for a cable drama to cut a scene from re-broadcasts.Melanienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-44686440251990282182010-04-28T15:30:45.074-04:002010-04-28T15:30:45.074-04:00I suspect they drag out Idol past 9 pm in the hope...I suspect they drag out Idol past 9 pm in the hopes that the audience will not bother to flip over to Lost since it would have already started and missing the first few minutes could be crucial for that particular show. The week where the overflow is the least happens to be the week where Lost is a rerun. <br /><br />Not all Fox affiliates have 10pm newscasts and since Glee ends up running late, Fox is still airing the commercials originally intended. In many cases, it ends up being a Seinfeld rerun that gets cut short, so it's not a loss for as many affiliates, as an overrun for an NBC, CBS or ABC station, where they all have 11 pm newscasts.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11317568565085893849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-44231704113708283632010-04-28T14:23:22.853-04:002010-04-28T14:23:22.853-04:00I would imagine that Fox isn't actually all th...I would imagine that Fox isn't actually all that happy about it, since the younger demographic (to which they are presumably catering) is more likely to turn to watching Glee on Hulu / alternative sources than watch it live if they can't trust their DVRs. The two Glee episodes aired before this are already the third and fourth most watched videos on the site this month.<br /><br />While I'm sure their partnership with Hulu yields them some kind of compensation, I'm sure it's nothing compared to what demographic brings in TV revenue. Maybe fewer people do this than I think, but I'm betting if you give technologically savvy people the choice of "live" or "internet" it's more likely internet.Karynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-24530325727720535512010-04-28T13:57:47.641-04:002010-04-28T13:57:47.641-04:00@Mandy
Justified runs the same episode again imme...@Mandy<br /><br />Justified runs the same episode again immediately following at 11 p.m. So just record the 11 p.m. showing (or one of the other repeat FX showings) and it won't conflict with other 10 p.m. recordings or DVR limits.Hollywoodaholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16480882911154517259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-17232872464470003282010-04-28T13:56:02.341-04:002010-04-28T13:56:02.341-04:00"And yes, Justified is re-broadcast by FX, bu..."And yes, Justified is re-broadcast by FX, but according to my DVR the original broadcast always seems to be longer by a minute than the re-broadcasts. I don't want to miss out on an entire minute of Olyphanty goodness."<br /><br />I believe that the extra minute or so is to squeeze in an extra commercial or two in prime time.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407887156360161904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-71699997266051490492010-04-28T13:51:35.767-04:002010-04-28T13:51:35.767-04:00I can't record the extra minutes at the end of...I can't record the extra minutes at the end of Glee if I want to catch the beginning of both Parenthood and Justified. It's just a big annoyance.Mandyhttp://www.myzigzagstitch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-66372440009710225122010-04-28T13:44:36.282-04:002010-04-28T13:44:36.282-04:00>I'm kind of a technological idiot, but I d...>I'm kind of a technological idiot, but I don't understand how the DVR system hasn't progressed to the point where the recordings don't start until the actual program begins. It seems like this should be pretty easy, and I feel like all it would take is the person ad Comcast/Verizon or whatever cable company syncing the channel guide with what is actually on screen.<br /><br />One time Tivo tried that - with Grey's Anatomy. As I've heard it, there were two models of Tivo at the time. They decided mid-broadcast to reset the end time by about two minutes. <br /><br />The old Tivos immediately stopped recording the show. The new ones kept running. <br />Something like that. (could have been the new ones that spit up, I don't know - I have mythTV, we get our schedules from Tribune Media, I believe, and the machine only checks them once a day.)<br />In any case, viewers of Glee are either aware of what's on before and take responsibility for the network's job, or we are screwed. Lucky us.Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-43507943362211863712010-04-28T13:35:31.325-04:002010-04-28T13:35:31.325-04:00>(My DVR even automatically suggests adding ext...>(My DVR even automatically suggests adding extra time for live events.)<br /><br />But Glee isn't a live event. I've had many reasons to hate American Idol over the years. Just add one more. Man, Dancing With the Stars can get it in on time. (sometimes it feels iffy but so far....) I guess Tom Bergeron can get his job done, and Seacrest can't. Someone should tell Dick Clark.Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-28031052420961217722010-04-28T13:08:26.764-04:002010-04-28T13:08:26.764-04:00In case this might help anyone:
I have Comcast di...In case this might help anyone:<br /><br />I have Comcast digital, and The Good Wife, Parenthood and Justified all are available On Demand for me. So there's that. Gave up on V, so I don't know about that one.<br /><br />And yes, Justified is re-broadcast by FX, but according to my DVR the original broadcast always seems to be longer by a minute than the re-broadcasts. I don't want to miss out on an entire minute of Olyphanty goodness.<br /><br />Of course, throw in a new Lost episode next week and all bets are off. Actually? Glee loses. The hell with it.Melanienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-5704619371722998042010-04-28T13:01:47.773-04:002010-04-28T13:01:47.773-04:00I'm kind of a technological idiot, but I don&#...I'm kind of a technological idiot, but I don't understand how the DVR system hasn't progressed to the point where the recordings don't start until the actual program begins. It seems like this should be pretty easy, and I feel like all it would take is the person ad Comcast/Verizon or whatever cable company syncing the channel guide with what is actually on screen. Is there any easy way to do that or am I not fully understanding how the DVR works?<br /><br />Having said that, still completely unacceptable that this continues to happen.<br /><br />-MJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-15358761685508790052010-04-28T12:55:09.343-04:002010-04-28T12:55:09.343-04:00sorry about that -- I had thought the first postin...sorry about that -- I had thought the first posting got eatenDave Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-52369532420406919672010-04-28T12:54:31.883-04:002010-04-28T12:54:31.883-04:00Viewers: If it's a recurring thing, take the e...<i>Viewers: If it's a recurring thing, take the extra 20 seconds to add 10 minutes extra time on your DVRs. It's such a simple thing really.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I did that. Then they ran over by TWENTY minutes!<br /><br />I'm showing my age here, but I remember when a show scheduled to run from 8 to 9 actually started at 8 and ended by 9!<br /><br /><i>Running long means that you'll stay for the next show </i><br /><br />Not if I don't want to! <br /><br /><i>IMO, it shows disregard for the viewers and if the execs are really upset about it, they should stop wringing their hands and do something. </i><br /><br />This time showing not so much my age as my understanding of TV history ... <br /><br />In "the old days," Jack Benny and the like would close by thanking the viewers for "inviting us into your home." They knew that people were making a conscious decision to watch them, and were grateful.<br /><br />Now the networks feel <i>entitled</i> to our viewership, which is backwards. Back then, if you were watching TV, it was Benny and maybe 2 other choices. With 500 choices of channels, plus Netflix et al, there's even less of a reason to feel entitled.<br /><br />Yes, they want us to watch it live, but the world ain't like that anymore. We don't just sit in front of the TV from 8 to 11 every night. Instead of <i>complaining</i> about VCRs and DVRs, they should be thankful they exist and allow us to watch their product in the first place!<br /><br />(Word Verif: "morkarcu" - a spaceman who lands in Romania)Dave Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-16321915340025200242010-04-28T12:53:29.986-04:002010-04-28T12:53:29.986-04:00Viewers: If it's a recurring thing, take the e...<i>Viewers: If it's a recurring thing, take the extra 20 seconds to add 10 minutes extra time on your DVRs. It's such a simple thing really.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I did that. Then they ran over by TWENTY minutes!<br /><br />I'm showing my age here, but I remember when a show scheduled to run from 8 to 9 actually started at 8 and ended by 9!<br /><br /><i>Running long means that you'll stay for the next show </i><br /><br />Not if I don't want to! <br /><br /><i>IMO, it shows disregard for the viewers and if the execs are really upset about it, they should stop wringing their hands and do something. </i><br /><br />This time showing not so much my age as my understanding of TV history ... <br /><br />In "the old days," Jack Benny and the like would close by thanking the viewers for "inviting us into your home." They knew that people were making a conscious decision to watch them, and were grateful.<br /><br />Now the networks feel <i>entitled</i> to our viewership, which is backwards. Back then, if you were watching TV, it was Benny and maybe 2 other choices. With 500 choices of channels, plus Netflix et al, there's even less of a reason to feel entitled.<br /><br />Yes, they want us to watch it live, but the world ain't like that anymore. We don't just sit in front of the TV from 8 to 11 every night. Instead of <i>complaining</i> about VCRs and DVRs, they should be thankful they exist and allow us to watch their product in the first place!<br /><br />(Word Verif: "morkarcu" - a spaceman who lands in Romania)Dave Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-35803146445809529902010-04-28T12:50:13.808-04:002010-04-28T12:50:13.808-04:00I would agree with all the conspiracy theorists, e...I would agree with all the conspiracy theorists, except that the time constraints are clearly hurting the quality of the show. It isn't like they are still giving each contestant two songs to sing and they are going over. Instead, they are going over because of the judges babbling. That pisses off both people trying to watch the shows after American Idol and the actual fans of the show. With competition from X Factor looming, it doesn't make sense to me for them to be allowing such gross excesses.rosengjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06346399198525494946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-16941824001218133482010-04-28T12:27:03.141-04:002010-04-28T12:27:03.141-04:00There's no way that Fox or Ryan or the directo...There's no way that Fox or Ryan or the directors couldn't easily speed things up as needed or fix this if they wanted. As previously mentioned, it discourages DVR, and promotes staying on the channel into the next show since you just missed the opening of other network shows.Hollywoodaholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16480882911154517259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-53290303508187763932010-04-28T12:16:37.164-04:002010-04-28T12:16:37.164-04:00@Stephen: It's not as simple as you think. Su...@Stephen: It's not as simple as you think. Sure, telling the DVR to tack on time is easy, but if you record two shows in the time slot after Glee (or one show if you don't have a dual-signal DVR), that means you've just dropped a show recording because of the overlap between Glee and one of the other shows after it, just because Idol ran long.STnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-68305370512081560042010-04-28T12:05:16.365-04:002010-04-28T12:05:16.365-04:00While the spillover causes problems for DVR taping...While the spillover causes problems for DVR taping of other broadcast networks at 10pm, it does not usually cause a problem for shows on FX (such as 'Justified'). FX runs the show several times, including a repeat of the 10pm showing at 11pm (or a few minutes after). Just remember that, on occasion, FX shows run long: when I know that I am going to record the 11pm showing of 'Justified', I add 10 to 15 minutes padding at the end to cover any overage from the first showing and assume that it will also be in the second showing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407887156360161904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-64716422335835045472010-04-28T11:59:10.114-04:002010-04-28T11:59:10.114-04:00Lost routinely runs past the hour, but the DVR app...Lost routinely runs past the hour, but the DVR appropriately shows the time extension.<br /><br />Of course it's not a big deal to pad the DVR at the end of Glee to make up for Idol's overrun (intentional or reckless) but if one is also recording something else after Glee, that's not possible.<br /><br />IMO, it shows disregard for the viewers and if the execs are really upset about it, they should stop wringing their hands and do something.Gaylenoreply@blogger.com