tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post2386993123649635942..comments2024-03-19T03:23:06.738-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Lost: Beware of the beardAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-48299033601417305792007-05-26T12:35:00.000-04:002007-05-26T12:35:00.000-04:00I don't think using more flash-forwards would ruin...I don't think using more flash-forwards would ruin anything. It would be possible that only some of the Losties left the island...and, therefore, we see their futures. But others could decide to stay behind and continue on as island residents...and we wouldn't see them back in the real world. So there could still be some mystery as to which Losties might die, which we will see in flash-forwards, and which are just still having a wild time on the island.<BR/><BR/>There are many ways around revealing too much. We don't have to see everyone's fate...they could play around with some of them right off the bat, and leave the rest as mysteries for awhile. Plus, was anything taken away from knowing Charlie would eventually die? I think, in fact, it actually heightened the drama. It was only a matter of time before Desmond could no longer keep him from his fate.<BR/><BR/>I have no problems with finding out certain characters are dead...and then not finding out how they died for awhile.Kris Etonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00822791622754789365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-961348662350872262007-05-25T22:11:00.000-04:002007-05-25T22:11:00.000-04:00So he uses Just For Men. Being a suicidal junkie d...So he uses Just For Men. Being a suicidal junkie doesn't mean you have to COMPLETELY give up on your appearance!<BR/><BR/>If there's somehow a past where Jack and Kate knew each other before the crash (but then pretended not to when they first met, even though there was nobody else around), and they'd both gotten "golden passes" from Oceanic Airlines for some reason, and Jack flies over the Pacific once a week and hopes the plane crashes because he needs to get back to some island? Which he's never been to before? Oh, and if he has a phone that didn't exist until 2006, but it's before the crash in 2004? Then you're right!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-46401455823199369692007-05-25T21:26:00.000-04:002007-05-25T21:26:00.000-04:00I'm having a hard time beleiving that the 'flash f...I'm having a hard time beleiving that the 'flash forward' with Jack & Kate meeting near the airport is really an honest 'flash forward'. Have we discussed how Jack's beard on the island is grey, yet his beard in the 'flash forward' is very dark? Did I miss that conversation?<BR/><BR/>While this was given away by the preceeding 'Lost: Answers" episode shown before the finale (where the producers told us that they have now shown us the past, present, and future) I can't help but think that life on the island is the future, and the 'flash foward' was really the present.<BR/><BR/>Or something along those lines....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15395932656032000836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-89561349046246974452007-05-25T16:10:00.000-04:002007-05-25T16:10:00.000-04:00I don't see how they can start having flash-forwar...<I>I don't see how they can start having flash-forwards now for characters. Wouldn't that ruin the opportunity for writers to kill of main characters if we see them all in flash-forwards having gotten off the island?</I><BR/><BR/>If anyone's going to keep all the appropriate cards to their chest, it's the <I>Lost</I> producers. FutureJack is obviously pretty isolated from the other Losties; his attempts to get back to the island would make "Jack epsiodes" far more interesting than flashback eps. I like the idea of a finale crosscutting between the Losties finally getting rescued and FutureJack making his way back. Or, you know, whatever they come up with.<BR/><BR/>But flashforwards can be used to raise questions and introduce characters, too. You're just working at the puzzle from a different corner.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07278397835543484753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-60287510561293024072007-05-25T14:57:00.000-04:002007-05-25T14:57:00.000-04:00I definitely agree Kate has to be using some sort ...I definitely agree Kate has to be using some sort of alias. There is no way they would just let her go free because she crashed on an island. One of my thoughts was maybe all of them are using aliases except for JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21629142330706007892007-05-25T14:19:00.000-04:002007-05-25T14:19:00.000-04:00RE: Kate not being in jail.Wouldn't it be easy eno...RE: Kate not being in jail.<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be easy enough for her to manipulate some dead Lost person's passport before everything is sorted out? Didn't she get caught doing that way back in the beginning of the show? She could assume someone's identity, if only temporarily, and continue living in hiding after that. Jack contacted her by cell phone, but that doesn't tell us anything about her status as a fugitive other than she's not in prison at the moment.velvetcannibalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14649039454592018539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-55197567997833024372007-05-25T14:18:00.000-04:002007-05-25T14:18:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.velvetcannibalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14649039454592018539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-66235438495482292262007-05-25T11:20:00.000-04:002007-05-25T11:20:00.000-04:00Following up on Janna's post, this is what it says...Following up on Janna's post, this is what it says ...<BR/><BR/>"If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...<BR/>I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents."<BR/><BR/>If memory serves me correct this wasn't there when I hit the site last week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-61464761746908382152007-05-25T07:46:00.000-04:002007-05-25T07:46:00.000-04:00At least with Heroes, Verne's been paying attentio...At least with Heroes, Verne's been paying attention...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-30470830860845950592007-05-25T00:33:00.000-04:002007-05-25T00:33:00.000-04:00I don't know if everyone has seen this already and...I don't know if everyone has seen this already and I am way behind..<BR/><BR/>Just checked out the oceanic air website<BR/><BR/>http://oceanic-air.com/<BR/><BR/>If you select the text BEHIND the text..and copy it into a word document there are some very interesting drawings and a cry for help. Check it out..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-51265506455246621502007-05-25T00:28:00.000-04:002007-05-25T00:28:00.000-04:00This is a piece of what I think is happening...Jac...This is a piece of what I think is happening...Jack is like Desmond. What I mean is that, he keeps repeating his life or certain points from his life like Desmond. Jack just doesn't talk about it. I think after leaving the island they end up in some type of alternate reality. Think about it, no matter what Kate has been through she would end up in jail once they were rescued. I think that she probably has the perfect life with her childhood sweetheart and doesn't want to leave, because she doesn't have to run anymore. I think Christian Shepherd is alive, but they didn't show him, so they didn't give too much away. C'mon, who couldn't tell Locke was in the coffin?<BR/><BR/>Last thing. Remember when Jack was in the hospital and his hand was shaking? He couldn't control it. Go back and watch the pilot. Look at how Jack is moving his left hand when he wakes up. Also, notice how he isn't surprised to see a dog(Vincent)in the middle of the jungle. Why would he start running? He didn't know where he was going, or did he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-31622971064536070092007-05-24T23:46:00.000-04:002007-05-24T23:46:00.000-04:00treacher, Huh. You're right. Verne Gay IS hilario...treacher,<BR/><BR/> Huh. You're right. <A HREF="http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/2007/05/verne_gay_heroes_the_finale.html" REL="nofollow">Verne Gay IS hilarious!</A><BR/><BR/>AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-74274889252485357722007-05-24T21:33:00.000-04:002007-05-24T21:33:00.000-04:00I don't see how they can start having flash-forwar...I don't see how they can start having flash-forwards now for characters. Wouldn't that ruin the opportunity for writers to kill of main characters if we see them all in flash-forwards having gotten off the island?<BR/><BR/>I can't see the flash-forward scenes continuing unless it ends up being some kind of alternate universe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-75439296189784583442007-05-24T21:19:00.000-04:002007-05-24T21:19:00.000-04:00how else can you explain the idea that the plane w...<I> how else can you explain the idea that the plane was found underwater and the passengers identified, as naomi claimed?</I><BR/><BR/>I was mostly referring to explaining away onscreen events as possible realities. Like: "Bearded Jack, he exists on Earth-X." But I think the producers have publicly denounced the whole "they're dead/in limbo" thing, right?<BR/><BR/>I've no idea about the found crash. Staged? A lie? I'm sure we'll find out more once there's more contact with folks from off-island.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07278397835543484753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-61433054332029776442007-05-24T19:57:00.000-04:002007-05-24T19:57:00.000-04:00"I didn't immediately believe the alternate realit..."I didn't immediately believe the alternate reality idea, but how else can you explain the idea that the plane was found underwater and the passengers identified, as naomi claimed?"<BR/><BR/>Cover story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-58985186825582182822007-05-24T19:34:00.000-04:002007-05-24T19:34:00.000-04:00Earlier, I was not suggesting that the "alternate ...Earlier, I was not suggesting that the "alternate reality" was a reality that could be avoided somehow. I think it indicates that the island took them in from one reality/dimension and spit them out into another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-8444253656855550222007-05-24T19:27:00.000-04:002007-05-24T19:27:00.000-04:00I didn't immediately believe the alternate reality...I didn't immediately believe the alternate reality idea, but how else can you explain the idea that the plane was found underwater and the passengers identified, as naomi claimed? They seem to be hinting that ben was at least partially telling the truth about her, but that would be an odd story for anyone to invent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-42412236421166155872007-05-24T19:08:00.000-04:002007-05-24T19:08:00.000-04:00*I would think -- okay, hope -- that four years in...*I would think -- okay, hope -- that four years into this thing, the producers have a general outline and a bunch of specific plotpoints to hit. Otherwise that writer's room is going to be a very scary place come 2009. Like any good bit of direction, you hope there's an overall goal but make adjustments for compromise and serendipity along the way.<BR/><BR/>*I actually sort of fear the final season in general. I hope there are a lot of loose ends. I hated having the polar bears explained away.<BR/><BR/>*The more I think about it (and February's a long way away), the more I'm sure we're in for additional flash-forwards. Otherwise, Jack's pathetic breakdown is going to be the series' endpoint. It's a dark show, but that's a <I>really</I> dark ending. I wouldn't be surprised if the producers find a reason we have to take Jack back to the island, in the future, somehow.<BR/><BR/>*A show this complexly plotted can't venture into "What If?" alternate reality futures. Not the way people depend on the way visual information is doled out. That's one of the reasons, I imagine, Desmond's flashes are only shown if they can be reconciled within a single, Desmond-POV episode. <I>Heroes</I> was predicated on violating a premonition, so a "Days of Future Past" stand-alone was possible.<BR/><BR/>(Also: Another failing of <I>Heroes</I>' finale was that it -- assuming characters who seem to be dead actually are -- erased every interesting development in its dire future, making it a wasted hour.)<BR/><BR/>But flashing forward and backward into and out of different realities? Trying to figure out which future alt-history elements are relevant? It might entertain the more gobbeldy-gook theories, but I can't think TV producers so good at managing information would let their show spiral out of control this way. It would border on incomprehensible. It's amazing enough people now accept series-lenghted arcs.<BR/><BR/>*And one of the reasons Jack's "I love you" to Kate seemed totally irrelevant: Well, look at where they end up.<BR/><BR/>*Speaking of dark ends, someone in another forum pointed out how much thoughts of suicide figured into last night's episode.<BR/>-- Charlie killed himself<BR/>-- Did Rasputin?<BR/>-- Future Jack was about to<BR/>-- Locke put a gun to his head<BR/>-- Attempts to go back to the beach were labelled a "suicide mission"<BR/>-- According to someone who analyzed screenshots of the <I>L.A. Times</I>, the other articles came from an issue from 4/05/07, the anniversary of Kurt Cobain's suicide<BR/>-- Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice" was blaring from Jack's car<BR/>-- People cobbling together screenshots of that obituary seem to have found the body was "hanging from a beam"Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07278397835543484753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-29626724945784235352007-05-24T18:57:00.000-04:002007-05-24T18:57:00.000-04:00To the question of who awaits Kate at home, I don'...To the question of who awaits Kate at home, I don't think it is a child. She says something to the effect of "he'll be wondering where I am." This conjures up a [suspicious] significant other, not a child. (Referring to a child, she might have said "he won't know where I am."Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816154837305194544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-86974316387413292122007-05-24T18:10:00.000-04:002007-05-24T18:10:00.000-04:00Oh, I have this feeling that Kate is going home to...Oh, I have this feeling that Kate is going home to Sawyer's child (their child) and not Sawyer. I have a hard time believing Sawyer in a relationship even *if* he can get past this "I think I like me this killing people stuff now." ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-50972723462892075172007-05-24T18:07:00.000-04:002007-05-24T18:07:00.000-04:00Thank you, VelvetCannibal, Alan and Tuck. I apprec...Thank you, VelvetCannibal, Alan and Tuck. I appreciate the help getting over my "offense taken." Alan, I'm sure it was bluntness and not harshness, but sometimes, words on a page just don't convey the proper tone one wants.<BR/><BR/>Velvet: I agree my interest in any relationship lies in Pam and Jim, though I watch that show b/c it's hilarious (often.) Actually, truth be told, I might watch it b/c I've become obsessed with loving it!!!! ;)<BR/><BR/>I think we can all safely agree to disagree about producers/show runners knowledge and lack of it. I did like the way you put it, Alan. I do like that these 2 guys will admit their mistakes.<BR/><BR/>By the way, do you happen to know which site did give away the flash forward spoiler? If so, it would be great to know just to avoid that sight for the next 3 seasons! ;)<BR/><BR/>Valerie: I find your smoke monster/Solaris mention very intriguing. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-59630972484044436292007-05-24T18:06:00.000-04:002007-05-24T18:06:00.000-04:00Whether or not you think the writers know where th...Whether or not you think the writers know where they're going, no matter who you think is in the coffin, or whether Jack's dad is really dead or not, or who Kate's living with in the future, or if it's even the future or an alternate reality... I think we can all agree on one thing: <A HREF="http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/blog/2007/05/verne_gay_lost_loses_it.html" REL="nofollow">Verne Gay is hilarious!</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-50275217654324556802007-05-24T17:55:00.000-04:002007-05-24T17:55:00.000-04:00Regarding the flash forward, any theory about an a...Regarding the flash forward, any theory about an alternate reality makes sense. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise, Kate would be in prison. She is a fugitive to the extent that a law enforcement officer followed her around the world to bring her in.<BR/><BR/>And I could agree with the commenter who thought he saw Gin and her husband on the plane with Jack. I thought I saw them as well. <BR/><BR/>The alternate reality theory is supported by Naomi's claim that their flight was found with no survivors. But who knows if Naomi was telling the truth.<BR/><BR/>My guess is the next season will open with a flash back of Naomi and her crew with a hazy explanation of why they are looking for Desmond.About Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05125993673058301634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-5909773051382992242007-05-24T17:51:00.000-04:002007-05-24T17:51:00.000-04:00I think that Ben thinks that the plane crash survi...I think that Ben thinks that the plane crash survivors are there to take over the caretaking of the island and the islands greater mysteries. I feel like I imagined this now, but didn't Ben point out to Jack that there were 40 others and 40 survivors? He also told Jack that he helped take out the 40 DHARMA INITIATIVE people so his new band of friends could run the island.<BR/><BR/>This would explain why Locke is so adamant about keeping his people on the island. He believes that it is their destiny to take over the care of the island. It also explains why Ben doesn't want Naomi and her people to set foot on the island.<BR/><BR/>He must believe that they want to hurt the island.<BR/><BR/>There's no way for us to know who is in that coffin. Enough clues were not given.<BR/><BR/>I think the smoke monster operates much like the planet in that Russian movie Solaris. The planet's inhabitants somehow manifest themselves into people they've seen in crew member's memories in order ot gain the trust of the crew.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, the smoke monster is doing something similar. It is reaching into people's minds in order to learn whether or not they are good for the monster's island.<BR/><BR/>For me, the smoke monster is what Ben and the Dharma project were trying to study and to protect.About Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05125993673058301634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-61123839523914171832007-05-24T17:35:00.000-04:002007-05-24T17:35:00.000-04:00Alan, I'm not sure I'd be willing to generally def...Alan, I'm not sure I'd be willing to generally defend TPTB from the allegation that they're winging it, but with Emerson/Ben, it's entirely possible that they both hired Emerson for only a couple of episodes and that they had a plan for a Ben-like figure all along. Once the saw how well Emerson fit in, they decided to morph his character into the character we all now know and love. That sort of small-scale audible calling is much different from the idea that they are making up the mythology and overall character arcs as they go along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com