tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post3756365731333818132..comments2024-03-25T19:18:14.047-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: American Idol, Top 4: Rock 'n Roll NightAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-22052403497583530662009-05-08T04:13:00.000-04:002009-05-08T04:13:00.000-04:00Radiohead isnt "commerical" but they sell a boatlo...Radiohead isnt "commerical" but they sell a boatload of records. Muse isnt "commerical" either but they sell a boatload of records (Interstingly enough Adam's version of "Feelin' Good" was a cover version of Muse's cover). I find it interesting that so many of you are espousing about how Adam can't possibly be a star, then you cite the popularity of people/bands like "Daughtry", the American "Nickelback". Or how much you love Kris who is 43rd in a line of already famous musicians who he sounds just like, way behind Dave Matthews (the original, who I DO like), Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz, et al. Do me a favor and raise your hand if you watch any of the "CSI's" or "Two and a Half Men". There's a saying in Hollywood, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence or taste of the American public." It applies here. Just because you cant possibly see a song sung by Adam being played down at the local bar on a Friday night when it's full of the local union boys hanging out after work doesn't mean he can't sell a million records. If you like Nickelback, great, but you essentially admit you like everything exactly the same, all the time (hence, CSI). Case in point - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2pXfAK8r1k<br /><br />BTW - Wal-Mart is having a sale on Carhart. <br /><br />Adam is NOT the typical "Daughtry" performer. And I for one say THANK GOD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21598723522637267272009-05-06T15:59:00.000-04:002009-05-06T15:59:00.000-04:00I also don't see Adam being a huge success. If yo...I also don't see Adam being a huge success. If you look at the contestants who have managed real success, they have typically been the ones---carrie, Daughtry, Cook---who showcased their real musical style on the show and whose musical style is commercial. The biggest exception to that is the original Idol, Kelly, back when the show did not really allow contestants to showcase their styles. You could, I guess, say that Jordin is an exception, but she was in a very different boat from other winners, as she came out of the show with zero momentum and basically remade herself. Those who don't showcase their proposed musical style or whose style is uncommercial don't do well.<br /><br />I don't see that Adam has shown that his style is commercial. Screamy rock is not huge these days. Songs like Mad World aren't, either. I tend to think that he'd either have to change his style (losing benefit of being popular on Idol) or else put out something uncommercial.Jenn.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-56118306320273506722009-05-06T15:36:00.000-04:002009-05-06T15:36:00.000-04:00As the Idol seasons go on, the performers are like...As the Idol seasons go on, the performers are like photocopies of a photocopy, becoming less and less original as time goes on. Adam is not original, but he can perform and if he is properly managed, could do something commercially successful. However, I don't see it happening based on how the first albums have turned out for any of the Idol winners. Idol is not the place to develop original talent, at least not in its most recent incarnations. <br /><br />Adam reminds me of Jacob Hoggard, the third place finisher in the second (and best) season of Canadian Idol. Jacob was very theatrical and was always trying to be "original", but had charisma to make it work, which I think is what the Adam fans respond to. Jacob ultimately went back to his band Hedley and became fairly successful with its Fall Out Boy- like music. On the down side, both also try way too hard to be "distinct" and can come off as unnatural.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11317568565085893849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-88718705294912058512009-05-06T15:24:00.000-04:002009-05-06T15:24:00.000-04:00@msrb:
@Steve "He reminds me of the drag queen imp...@msrb:<br />@Steve "He reminds me of the drag queen impersonators putting on an over-the-top show"<br /><br />Would you be saying it that way if the boy wasn't openly gay?<br /><br />No, I would not, but he is an openly gay boy, so it makes perfect senseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21673377435039565902009-05-06T14:29:00.000-04:002009-05-06T14:29:00.000-04:00Hyde--I went crazy on that one too. After Steven ...Hyde--I went crazy on that one too. After Steven Tyler, I think Kara's favorite band member is Alicia Silverstone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-39685182028901764592009-05-06T12:11:00.000-04:002009-05-06T12:11:00.000-04:00I hope Danny stays because I feel he has the passi...I hope Danny stays because I feel he has the passion and drive to keep his career going after wards. That being said, I think he did awful last night, but 1 bad performance shouldn't send you home after 9 great ones. <br /><br />I think they are all great at this point, and it's difficult to eliminate people. <br /><br />I'm getting slightly tired of Adam's performances and I was a big Adam fan to start, but much like other people, I believe he belongs in the theatre. <br /><br />Ever since Allison performed Heart, I've been a fan and I think she's done well, but she's young and I'm not sure if she has what it takes to go far.<br /><br />I was never a fan of Kris until a couple weeks back, but I think he was def. out of his element last night and he didn't do too hot last week either. He's a little too hot or cold for me.<br /><br />I can see Kris going home tonight, but as much as I hate to see it, Danny isn't too far from going home either. I think it will come down to who has the bigger fan base. But going home or not--Danny is still my favorite by far!!!! I voted a bunch last night!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-65512714549578797982009-05-06T11:06:00.000-04:002009-05-06T11:06:00.000-04:00I'm with you Alan on the bleeding ears following "...I'm with you Alan on the bleeding ears following "Dream On". Michael Johns last season did such a good job with it (especially after being eliminated), but this was just wrong. <br />Here's hoping Simon's "I think you're safe" get's Danny him eliminated. *bah*Marlenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-72714186100803373692009-05-06T10:17:00.001-04:002009-05-06T10:17:00.001-04:00Linda, I think you're my Idol soulmate. Just don'...Linda, I think you're my Idol soulmate. Just don't tell my wife.<br /><br />Kara, Slash is a rock god. Robert Plant is a rock god.I really don't get all of the Adam love. Granted, he is the best singer of this year's group, but this year's group is lousy. I was pretty underwhelmed when they rolled out the final 13, and nothing over past two months has changed my opinion. There will be a winner this year, but no break out star.Jin's English Tutornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-72660801564446391402009-05-06T10:17:00.000-04:002009-05-06T10:17:00.000-04:00@Maura: Yeah, Danny was the worst. Last night I ga...@Maura: Yeah, Danny was the worst. Last night I gave him credit for a good performance up until about the last twenty seconds, but upon relistening this morning the last half was a total mess. I do think he started out very well, though. Kris might have had the weakest performance overall, but just based on the four we were told to listen to, Danny should be the one to go. He won't, though. In the end it'll probably be poor Allison, who was very good. If they don't do their "we watched the tapes last night" review of her on the results show then it's clear they've already got the contacts filled out with Adam's name and are just gonna half ass it until the final show. <br /><br />And I totally agree with you that she got the shaft in the duet criticism. Their individual performance critique of her was puzzling after how they all lost their minds over Adam and the duet critique was just insulting to her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-88208355157578353432009-05-06T10:04:00.000-04:002009-05-06T10:04:00.000-04:00Danny's primal scream was the worst I've heard sin...Danny's primal scream was the worst I've heard since Howard Dean.<br /><br />Adam was better than the original and I don't mean that as a knock on the original classic.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01767271314092402290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-17339809256976723492009-05-06T09:42:00.000-04:002009-05-06T09:42:00.000-04:00For those who are curious about the licensing fees...For those who are curious about the licensing fees:<br /><br />There are two different copyrights to a song. The Sound Recording (which would be the actual Led Zeppelin recording) and the Music Publishing copyright (the song itself, not the recording). So on idol, they would only have to pay for the music publishing (Called a "Synchronization License"). Record Companies control the Sound Recordings and Music Publishers and Songwriters controling the Music Publishing. You must always have the music publishing license, but a cover does not require a license from the record company. It is true that Led Zeppelin is notorious about not licensing their songs. (I worked at Atlantic Records a long time ago and know of what I speak) Usually, artists do not have control over their record companies, but may (not always - the Beatles famously sold their publishing years ago because of bad management advice but actually control their master recording through their Apple Records - this is very unusual) control their publishing rights. Although in a huge superstar case like Led Zeppelin, they have full control. Richard Linklater apparently begged them for "School of Rock". Anyone can make a sound recording cover of any song that has been previously recorded under the compulsory licensing provision of the U.S. Copyright act, but all other uses (i,e, films, Idol performances) would require permission. Sorry if that was too long, but people seemed interested. <br /><br />Back to the show: People almost never cover Led Zeppelin on records or live (which they could do without permssion) because they know they usually will suck. Adam was great. I couldn't believe it. I don't know what made them give permission but I don't care. It was also great to see a song we have never heard before on Idol! And, I thought Allison was great as well, especially in the duet.music lawyer/idol fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-13376220949079547992009-05-06T09:02:00.000-04:002009-05-06T09:02:00.000-04:00But, don't you think might have had more to do wit...<I>But, don't you think might have had more to do with the fact that they all kept being told that compared to Adam they suck than it did with the fact that their performances were being criticised? I don't recall seeing the judges be quite that heavy handed with waving their fave in the faces of the other contestants before.</I>I think that's it exactly, Amysuzanne. It was disgustingly blatant. I wanted to throttle Paula when she told Allison that Adam had carried her through their duet, when her performance was head and shoulders above his. This was Allison's night,and none of the judges had the courtesy to acknowledge it. I think they've been taking judging lessons from Tyra Banks.<br /><br />Kris had his weakest performance last night, but he wasn't as bad as the judges claimed. Danny, on the other hand - yikes. I didn't think he could be so awful.maurahttp://occasionalblond.vox.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-18481332179726546932009-05-06T07:23:00.000-04:002009-05-06T07:23:00.000-04:00My DVR didn't tape last night's ep, so I am going ...My DVR didn't tape last night's ep, so I am going solely by the clips. Allison was the best by a mile.<br /><br />I really don't like Adam in screech mode at all...that is why I don't think he is sailing to the finish like many here believe. I would never buy any of his screech-80s metal rock music. And I think there are many like me out there.<br /><br />We'll see I guess.<br /><br />Oy, Danny, what were you thinking?K J Gillenwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023089365553324315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-72505195030878203252009-05-06T06:50:00.000-04:002009-05-06T06:50:00.000-04:00@Steve "He reminds me of the drag queen impersonat...@Steve "He reminds me of the drag queen impersonators putting on an over-the-top show"<br /><br />Would you be saying it that way if the boy wasn't openly gay?<br /><br />Rock and Roll might be about looking like sex, drugs and rock and roll....but do you think that's what all of those guys are about every second of the day? Most of them are putting on a show - exactly what Adam did last night. <br /><br />Just because Adam *can* do the screamy rock and roll voice doesn't mean that's what he would put on a record. Who knows? He might put out a record full of "Mad World" type songs that are more sellable.<br /><br />I don't think anyone should count him out of being able to figure out how to make a go of a career after Idol. Whatever anyone says, Adam has some mad skills.KrisMrsBBradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14988742743150495260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-53058363087225417022009-05-06T05:54:00.000-04:002009-05-06T05:54:00.000-04:00>>Danny and Kris each sucked tonight and bot...>>Danny and Kris each sucked tonight and both came off as temperamental little bitches. Danny sure didn't like getting a little criticism.<<<br /><br />No, they didn't. Allison didn't either, but played it off a lot shinier and happier than the other two, who were sullen (Kris) and argumentative (Danny). But, don't you think might have had more to do with the fact that they all kept being told that compared to Adam they suck than it did with the fact that their performances were being criticised? I don't recall seeing the judges be quite that heavy handed with waving their fave in the faces of the other contestants before. Danny and Kris had the added fun of being criticized for a performance that the audience wasn't supposed to judge (and based on Paula's comment, neither were the judges) while it was clear from the beginning that they'd already decided that it was worse than what Allison and Adam would do. I think part of the tone was set around the time they called Allison a sound alike after falling all over themselves over Adam's pretty basic performance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-39457691942774813512009-05-06T01:54:00.000-04:002009-05-06T01:54:00.000-04:00Not surprisingly, Adam has the green light on Dial...Not surprisingly, Adam has the green light on Dial Idol...with the other three all vulnerable...and Danny a notch above Allison and Kris<br /><br />Now Kris has been doing better than his DI predictive results all season, so I think this means Allison is better than even money to go home this week<br /><br />On the question of Adam selling records, it all depends on post-Idol marketing and of course, the music itself. Its hard to predict what will happen, but I could see it going either way...and that's the case with all the performers...<br /><br />A lot of that stuff is about the people around you...there have been exceptions, but the winning Idols themselves (and to a lesser extent, the runner ups) have done much better overall as a group than the 3rd/4th/5th place finishers...for every Daughtry, there's a half dozen people you never really heard much from again...<br /><br />And I think that says a lot about the people that manage the post-Idol stuff that has guided some of the idol winners (Clarkson, Underwood and now Cook) onto pretty big-time success...even the ones that have been unsuccessful as a whole have done a lot better than the ones that haven't had the benefit of the same guidance/managementMike Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-11522372051984860902009-05-06T00:26:00.000-04:002009-05-06T00:26:00.000-04:00sorry
finders = fingers
eached = each
I'm tired....sorry<br /><br />finders = fingers<br />eached = each<br /><br />I'm tired.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-32794627930987350432009-05-06T00:22:00.000-04:002009-05-06T00:22:00.000-04:00this was the worst week on Idol I can remember.
E...this was the worst week on Idol I can remember.<br /><br />Explain this to me. Adam tries his hardest to do a Robert Plant impersonation and gets praised to high heaven for his originality. Allison tries her best Janis impersonation and gets called an unoriginal sound-alike (though Simon said it was a compliment, in a way, to sound like Janis). These judges are lazy.<br /><br />On to the performances:<br /><br />Adam- Rock is about attitude. Adam is this over-the-top, theatrical, emo-kid. He may have great vocal range, able to hit all the notes in the song, but I'm not buying it. Led Zeppelin exudes sex, drugs and rock and roll. Adam comes across as if he's playing dress-up. It's not genuine and his pretend-edge is laughable. <br /><br />He reminds me of the drag queen impersonators putting on an over-the-top show (this has nothing to do with his sexuality). Again, Adam has tremendous vocal chops and has more stage presence than maybe anyone on the show ever... but I don't buy him as an edgy, rebellious rocker.<br /><br />Allison- sounded similar to Janis. She has a cool, raspy, breathy voice and did sound like Janis. But that's what people wanted to hear, I think. I thought she was much better than Adam.<br /><br />Kris- very bad. Did they have to sing a loud, hard rock song? I thought he could have shined tonight, by taking a big time, anthem and turing it into a mellow acoustic session. He doesn't have a strong voice, and picking a song like "Come Together" did not give him an opportunity to jazz it up. It was like watching a college band play at a frat house.<br /><br />Danny- I have always been a fan of his vocal abilities and predicted him to win. But tonight was a train wreck. I watched with a hand over my eyes, but finders spread apart so I could still peek at the disaster. His timing was off, he looked uncomfortable, and he couldn't hit the notes. He is an intelligent singer, and so I'm surprised he didn't pick up on how terribly he pairs with the song. I would have preferred him to sing a "Blinded by the Light" or something where he can be bigger than the song, instead of the other way around. <br /><br />The duets thing is stupid. Why have Danny and Kris do a duet before their actual performances when they probably conserving their voices?<br /><br />They should have eached performed twice. I am a big fan of Kara because I think she makes the best points of the non-Simon judges, but AI execs need to figure out a new way to produce the show.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-19856723184603205292009-05-06T00:14:00.000-04:002009-05-06T00:14:00.000-04:00Even though the duets are totally irrelevant, what...Even though the duets are totally irrelevant, what a difference between the two... Danny and Kris, zero chemistry with one another, no charisma at all, lackluster result. Allison and Adam LOVING each other, having a blast, and sounding great. <br /><br />Danny and Kris each sucked tonight and both came off as temperamental little bitches. Danny sure didn't like getting a little criticism. <br /><br />I actually voted for a change, gave Adam and Allison several apiece. They should totally be the final two.LAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-26062327299575569672009-05-05T23:38:00.000-04:002009-05-05T23:38:00.000-04:00"Daughtry sold 4.2 million copies of his first alb..."Daughtry sold 4.2 million copies of his first album, not all to people who watched Idol. Lambert will do just fine."<br /><br />Adam Lambert is not Chris Daughtry. Quality aside, Daughtry was right in the pocket of what was most popular in bar-band rock at the time; he sounded exactly like a zillion other things that were already popular. I'm not saying it's a GOOD thing, but it's a TRUE thing, I believe, that people mostly buy what they're buying already. Perhaps Adam Lambert will bring covers of '70s rock to the mainstream, but I'll be surprised if that happens.<br /><br />I am precisely saying the point is your ability to get beyond people who watch Idol. I just don't see the public buying it, but if his fans are right, it won't matter.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08184669198971626945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-87636514267263654042009-05-05T23:21:00.000-04:002009-05-05T23:21:00.000-04:00This is the most talented final four they've ever ...This is the most talented final four they've ever had, and Lambert can do emo, can do straight-ahead rock ... whatever he wants. Maybe he'll finally let his freak flag fly again as he did at the LA cabaret shows ...Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02113168955236758821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-50635337247536212422009-05-05T23:20:00.000-04:002009-05-05T23:20:00.000-04:00There's a better than average chance that Allison ...There's a better than average chance that Allison will go home tomorrow night, and that is a shame.<br /><br />Danny was embarrassing. Allison was fantastic.<br /><br />Danny tried to hide behind the genre as a reason he was so terrible. What a bunch of garbage. It's ROCK! What's a broader category than that? "Music"?<br /><br />Simon said he was safe. I hope that was to discourage his voters.ghotihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285176297822242753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-88536240660513645032009-05-05T23:12:00.000-04:002009-05-05T23:12:00.000-04:00As much as I dislike Chris Daughtry the dude, Chri...As much as I dislike Chris Daughtry the dude, Chris Daughtry the musician is wayyyy easier to sell than Adam Lambert. Again: what's he going to do that's going to appeal to a large number of people? Daughtry's music is very mainstream and very marketable.<br /><br />And, regardless of what Gokey does or doesn't do (though I imagine he'll sell a nice number of Christian records, which would seem to be both what he wants to do and a genre that's making a boatload of money these days) it doesn't make Lambert as winner any less Taylor Hicks. None of these guys are going to be the biggest American idol ever. Kris could sell to the Mraz/Johnson fans out there and probably do well on his own in the long run, writing his own songs. Allison might be able to ride that Miley Cyrus train a little ways and appeal to the tweens while she grows up and eventually gets to make an adult record. But, none of them would seem to be the winner that Idol wanted us to believe we were going to get when they rolled out the "best. season. ever." PR during the audition rounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-7608841123728844582009-05-05T23:02:00.000-04:002009-05-05T23:02:00.000-04:00If anyone's the next Taylor Hicks in this field, i...If anyone's the next Taylor Hicks in this field, it's Hokey Gokey, who has a future ahead of him in inspirational music, not the pop-rock world.<br /><br />Daughtry sold 4.2 million copies of his first album, not all to people who watched Idol. Lambert will do just fine.<br /><br />The ALOTT5MA review is up: http://is.gd/x5kmAdamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02113168955236758821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-84911605781367746442009-05-05T22:58:00.000-04:002009-05-05T22:58:00.000-04:00anonymous is right - the fee to cover a song vs th...anonymous is right - the fee to cover a song vs the fee to use a certain recording of that song are two very different things, esp if that recording is by led zep or the beatles - zeppelin apparently used to just deny automatically w/o exception but have come around on occasion lately cf dazed and confused vs school of rock, whereas the beatles apparently (though not always - i know 'when i'm 64' is in world according to garp and 'yesterday' is in once upon a time in america so maybe just after michael jackson bought the lennon-mccartney catalog?) just have insanely high fees so that for example while originally wes anderson had the beatles' hey jude over the beginning of royal tenenbaums by the time it got released he had to settle for an instrumental version.jblounthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15449002601900791637noreply@blogger.com