tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post7477712558857140332..comments2024-03-28T18:01:28.997-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Chuck, "Chuck vs. the First Kill": Who can you trust? No, seriously, who can you trust? Have I asked you yet about who you can trust?Alan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-81166490782773344382009-04-17T17:03:00.000-04:002009-04-17T17:03:00.000-04:00What ever happened to that list? It has bothered m...<I>What ever happened to that list? It has bothered me because I assumed that, since then, Beckman et al. knew everyone who was fulcrum.<br /></I>Sometimes I wonder if Beckman is Fulcrum and is testing out how Chuck's intersect works for her nefarious overlords. Or, you know, not.deznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1448798874015896402009-04-16T13:58:00.000-04:002009-04-16T13:58:00.000-04:00Anyone else notice how the Fulcrum test video ende...Anyone else notice how the Fulcrum test video ended with the phrase, "Good luck, comrades."? Besides the Soviet propaganda inspired posters on the walls?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21122813606390586272009-04-16T03:48:00.000-04:002009-04-16T03:48:00.000-04:00Wasn't there an episode (Chuck v. the Fat Lady?) w...<I>Wasn't there an episode (Chuck v. the Fat Lady?) where they found a list of all fulcrum agents?<br /><br />What ever happened to that list? It has bothered me because I assumed that, since then, Beckman et al. knew everyone who was fulcrum.</I>That USB only contains a list of all Fulcrum agents whom Guy LaFleur had been in contact with, so anyone not on the list are still safe. As for those on the list, I'd imagine them either captured or on the run. Plus Fulcrum agents are terrific at faking their deaths, so the CIA must be having a hard time tracking them down.<br /><br />Speaking of faking deaths Juliet style, I thought that was pretty stupid not to shoot the Vincent guy right after he consumed the poison (Chuck Versus the Predator). Shouldn't they make sure the villain stays dead? At least in other movies they do (or was it the Nazis only?). <br /><br />And it's always a mistake to trust a woman carrying a baby, especially when she seems well past post-birth weight.<br /><br />The biggest plothole for me though, is that Chuck hasn't been taken into CIA facility after the pilot. If there's a human Intersect wondering around Burbank, I would have put him in an air tight cell right from the start, let alone having him on missions. If anything happens to Chuck, all the information would be gone forever. The second biggest hole for me is that Chuck still has yet to received any training or firearm protection. Seriously? Not even teaching the guy how to use a gun?<br /><br />Giant plothole aside, I still love this show to death. I'm willing to accept the flawed premises and enjoy the show.Gilliannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-35819380990428733412009-04-16T03:47:00.000-04:002009-04-16T03:47:00.000-04:00Did anyone else think the reference to Uncle Berni...Did anyone else think the reference to Uncle Bernie not liking Jill's previous boyfriend, and his subsequent disappearance, refer to Bryce?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-62531511100376907902009-04-15T16:16:00.000-04:002009-04-15T16:16:00.000-04:00"the CIA has no idea who is Fulcrum (even in their...<I>"the CIA has no idea who is Fulcrum (even in their own team), so sending in a squad would be suicide."</I> <br /><br />Wasn't there an episode (Chuck v. the Fat Lady?) where they found a list of all fulcrum agents?<br /><br />What ever happened to that list? It has bothered me because I assumed that, since then, Beckman et al. knew everyone who was fulcrum.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851873565942691791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-17802935777363891512009-04-15T15:15:00.000-04:002009-04-15T15:15:00.000-04:00Like many viewers, I occassionally "notice" plot h...Like many viewers, I occassionally "notice" plot holes, but since I usually watch a new episode a couple of times, the holes aren't really there.<br /><br />As said, Bernie didn't know what the big news was, hence why he is shocked to find out Jill is even there.<br /><br />the CIA has no idea who is Fulcrum (even in their own team), so sending in a squad would be suicide. Fulcrum would probably be tipped off, and who knows which of the agents in the squad are actually Fulcrum? That's why so much of the major war against Fulcrum is in Chuck's hands--his team can actually be trusted by Beckman.<br /><br />And I felt there are a lot of character interactions that aren't readily noticed--such as Sarah's reaction to Chuck and Jill at their fake wedding announcement (and Casey's derisive laugh at her). Even in the last scene, if you pay attention to Casey, he seems to know exactly what Sarah is doing and doesn't try to stop her.<br /><br />Like many of you, I will never, in any way, support NBC again if they drop Chuck. I'm also extending that to NBC's parent company, General Electric--if Chuck is canceled, I'm never buying a GE product for as long as I live.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04584998776095434677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-40659123882101669952009-04-15T13:15:00.000-04:002009-04-15T13:15:00.000-04:00Can Chuck ever go on a mission again? Now that Ori...Can Chuck ever go on a mission again? Now that Orion is his dad and Fulcrum has Orion and Arnold Vosloo KNOWS their father-son isn't Chuck's cover perpetually blown. I was really mad that they were seemingly ignoring this but then Bergey came along and Beckman decided Chuck be put underground, but where does this leave the show in the long run (hopefully assuming that it has one)?Chipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-92118224168552575582009-04-15T11:46:00.000-04:002009-04-15T11:46:00.000-04:00At the end of the episode, when Sarah tells Chuck ...At the end of the episode, when Sarah tells Chuck that the CIA found his father, don't you think he might have been suspicious since he already knew he was in 'Black Rock' (Bastow, CA)... when I saw it for the first time I thought Chuck somehow knew Sarah might be lying and that's why he started his 'speech'... but now I don't think so...Felipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303934613461334523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-39815642610478638252009-04-15T10:32:00.000-04:002009-04-15T10:32:00.000-04:00I also immediately thought of the excellent The Pa...I also immediately thought of the excellent <A HREF="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071970/" REL="nofollow">The Parallax View</A> (part of Alan J Pakula's paranoia trilogy of the early 70s), when they showed the Fulcrum video and test scene. The video in the original film was quite scary and I still can't get its imagery out of my head, years after last seeing it.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03707744493835360046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-82895049536513006252009-04-15T09:59:00.000-04:002009-04-15T09:59:00.000-04:00The bad guy falling because his sleeve rips? Hop i...The bad guy falling because his sleeve rips? Hop in the Wayback Machine and dial it to Alfred Hitchcock's classic, <EM>Sabotage</EM>.justjoan123https://www.blogger.com/profile/03333328551629388436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-62457950499162153142009-04-15T08:55:00.000-04:002009-04-15T08:55:00.000-04:00When Uncle Bernie arrives at the house, they menti...When Uncle Bernie arrives at the house, they mention how they were saving the announcement of Jill's engagement as a surprise for when he got there-- so he didn't even know about Jill being there beforehand. This show may have its share of plotholes, but to be fair, they did cover themselves on this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-2859332427851792192009-04-15T03:08:00.000-04:002009-04-15T03:08:00.000-04:00This episode should have been titled "Sarah and Ca...This episode should have been titled "Sarah and Casey vs. Kills 29-58". I can't recall another episode where so many people are killed. It wouldn't surprise me if the body count from this episode equaled the total from all the others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-56431265934753398732009-04-15T00:29:00.000-04:002009-04-15T00:29:00.000-04:00I think any Chuck soundtrack has to include the so...I think any Chuck soundtrack has to include the song Cobrastyle by the Teddybears that appeared twice in the pilot (and I think a couple times since then). It's a favorite of mine, and I bought the Teddybears CD as a result of hearing that song on Chuck.Erichttp://nehrlich.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-35218689793906998862009-04-14T21:25:00.000-04:002009-04-14T21:25:00.000-04:00Do they normally throw in jokes like Bernie eating...Do they normally throw in jokes like Bernie eating the 96oz steak when Chuck flashes? I've never noticed one quite like that.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07941800921704495824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-5279192019708043442009-04-14T17:59:00.000-04:002009-04-14T17:59:00.000-04:00Do you think this was another episode that had del...Do you think this was another episode that had deliberate nods to 'Lost'? (Remember Chuck's mention of how Flight 815 went down?)<br /><br />Two of the floors mentioned at the Center were the 8th floor (the prison floor) and the 15th floor (where Chuck was taken to meet Bergey).Toby O'Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06999037844031101965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-53200987646925551592009-04-14T16:31:00.000-04:002009-04-14T16:31:00.000-04:00Chuck seems to be convinced that Beckman doesn't w...Chuck seems to be convinced that Beckman doesn't want to get the information out of his head and that she doesn't have any incentive to find Orion. <br /><br />But that track doesn't square with the download of Fulcrum data he got in "vs. The Suburbs" and the Fulcrum flashes he had this episode. He's not only carrying the Intersect, but also all Fulcrum data. Beckman for sure would want to get that information out of his head and would be looking for Orion to do it.<br /><br />Plot holes abound, but it's still my favorite show currently on. I don't own a TV, but I watch every week on Hulu. I'm hoping NBC considers those numbers when evaluating renewal.The Rotisseur (John N)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16588487370614983383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-54970272767146687102009-04-14T15:22:00.000-04:002009-04-14T15:22:00.000-04:00So, curious thought here. What happens if that rin...So, curious thought here. What happens if that ring that Chuck gave Jill isn't just a normal ring, but, in fact, a spy ring of some sort? Maybe Chuck was just carrying out an order by freeing her and giving her the ring in the hopes that Jill would go back to Fulcrum. They could then follow her and find Fulcrum's base of operations. If Jill was trustworthy (or smart) and went ahead and sold the ring, they could just steal it back. They're spies, that's what they do.Jaymenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-74685771280863591382009-04-14T13:12:00.000-04:002009-04-14T13:12:00.000-04:00"Speaking of cell doors, were the guys looking out..."Speaking of cell doors, were the guys looking out at Chuck people he had put in prison? Because one of the pairs of eyes looked a lot like Richard Dean Anderson."<br /><br />Dave--I thought that too! Sure looked like McGyver eyes staring out through the slit of the cell door to me.<br /><br />And on Uncle Bernie, I think they didn't tell him it was about Jill. When he comes to the door they say something like-What's the big family news. Think they just told him it was something major, but not what. That's why his first words to Jill were the predictable -I thought you were in prison.Elenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-3797181566722803422009-04-14T12:18:00.000-04:002009-04-14T12:18:00.000-04:00Good episode that squandered the opportunity for s...Good episode that squandered the opportunity for some real emotional beats between the three leads. The BuyMore was far too long and robbed the main storyline of precious time to allow breathing space.<br /><br />Sarah and Jill in van together - no dramatic beats between them either. Big miss.<br /><br />Detouring away from the PapaB/Intersect storyline without an appearance by PapaB or Roark did not help either.<br /><br />On the positive side the engagement party and Uncle Bernie was funny. Chuck not letting Casey cheat on the test hilarious too.<br /><br />Back to the big storyline next week.WooT!OldDarthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-55806440742511605932009-04-14T11:36:00.000-04:002009-04-14T11:36:00.000-04:00Love the show- given NBC's plight and the stro...Love the show- given NBC's plight and the strong fan base of committed viewers it must be renewed - FWIW I like the indie songs e.g. in Chuck vs the Break-up use of The National's "Fake Empire" in the opening and closing scenes where Bryce tells Sarah to take the shot - <br />Now that the operational triangle is broken how will Casey handle being the odd person out. Also, looking forward to Chuck & Sarah on hte run from the NSA/CIA, Fulcrum etc. - hoping they don't burn through this storyline as fast as every other one this season.Lysonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-53182466566582970822009-04-14T11:25:00.000-04:002009-04-14T11:25:00.000-04:00I wasn't too into this episode until the end. 'Bou...I wasn't too into this episode until the end. 'Bout time they went on the run.<br /><br />I bet Casey expected Sarah to book it, even if they didn't say anything about it to each other. I wonder what he'll do next episode?<br /><br />Chuck didn't tell Ellie he was "engaged" to Jill because (a) the point was to ferret Uncle Bernie out by having a Jill-family gathering, and (b) it's not REAL, and (c) Ellie would freak out if he announced that one. And yes, I think the point was to get Bernie over there even if he was going to think, "Hey, wait, isn't she in jail?" Hard to sidestep that one anyway. <br /><br />Loved the 80's songs in this one. I still have "Hungry Like The Wolf" in my head.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906089927390662087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-40413713000309735582009-04-14T11:24:00.000-04:002009-04-14T11:24:00.000-04:00Speaking of cell doors, were the guys looking out ...Speaking of cell doors, were the guys looking out at Chuck people he had put in prison? Because one of the pairs of eyes looked a lot like Richard Dean Anderson.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10469069842688425350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-46144777499269228262009-04-14T11:03:00.000-04:002009-04-14T11:03:00.000-04:00Has anybody else noticed the number on Jill's cell...Has anybody else noticed the number on Jill's cell door? Room 101? Great George Orwell 1984 reference.<br /><br />On a side note, I am a little bit bothered by the "inconsistency" of Casey's title. I know it's less than noticeable, but I somehow feel like saying Agent Casey instead of Major Casey is sort of a demotion. Nominally of course.Gilliannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-2474107535114145292009-04-14T10:40:00.000-04:002009-04-14T10:40:00.000-04:00I've been thinking about Jill. The fact that Chuck...I've been thinking about Jill. The fact that Chuck is the Intersect is such a part of the show that I forget every character doesn't know it, too. So, Jill's reaction surprised me. Letting Jill go is going to come back to bite Chuck. She's going to figure out his secret and tell Fulcrum. That could be a good thing: maybe it will be the event that finally makes Chuck shed his naivete.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-39320047644742552292009-04-14T10:32:00.000-04:002009-04-14T10:32:00.000-04:00I haven't finished reading all the comments, but I...I haven't finished reading all the comments, but I wanted to respond to some before I forget what I have to say. Does anyone else find it highly amusing that David Burke's most recent work on IMDB is in "Trust Me?"<br /><br />Also, Mattb, I don't think they cared that Uncle Bernie would question why she was out of jail, so much as they would just want him to be there. Even if he questions them, they would assume that Casey and Sarah could capture him before he got to Chuck. Although, I would argue that if Jill really were evil, she and Bernie could have teamed up and capture Chuck, but whatever.<br /><br />Secondly, they probably wouldn't want to send an entire squadron in. Many Fulcrum agents are part of the NSA and CIA, so there's a high probability that they would intercept any communications and be able to get Orion out of the building before anyone arrived. The most likely scenario would be to send in a few of your top agents, who, I believe, has already been stated to be Team Intersect, to perform a stealthy extraction. After that was successful, they could call in the troops to take over the building.<br /><br />Obviously, since the first mission failed, the second one would no longer be an option.Jaymehttp://chucktv.net/about-2/chuck-campaign-watchbuyshare/noreply@blogger.com