tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post8226828934549741320..comments2024-03-25T19:18:14.047-04:00Comments on What's Alan Watching?: Mad Men, "The New Girl": Freddie the zipperAlan Sepinwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-76945711225320280132009-01-10T02:05:00.000-05:002009-01-10T02:05:00.000-05:00wow, i found that last post by googling myself.no....wow, i found that last post by googling myself.<BR/><BR/>no. not Jewish.<BR/>English, Irish, Scottish, and GermanPamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-72637518579193577532008-09-07T17:40:00.000-04:002008-09-07T17:40:00.000-04:00You're right, we should get back to last weeks epi...You're right, we should get back to last weeks episode, though this is the "board" for the week *before* last (which was far less interesting than this one, IMO)! Again, sorry to everyone for writing so much about the name thing, but at least it was at the end of the week before lasts!<BR/><BR/>I like your name a lot - "Pamela Jaye Ashworth", and PJ is cute - I also happen to HATE "Sammy" (always have). It's good that your parents didn't give you a middle name starting with "A" - Pamela A. Baker wouldn't have been very cool!!<BR/><BR/>One last question, are you Jewish?<BR/><BR/>Ok, bye for now - hope to see your post about tonight's ep!<BR/><BR/>-oSo- (also a nickname from school - Samantha "oSo" Fine)oSoFinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10723296011087535612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-20857824882655145892008-09-06T21:19:00.000-04:002008-09-06T21:19:00.000-04:00Seems so :-)I went on for several long emails rece...Seems so :-)<BR/>I went on for several long emails recently about my interest in the behind the scenes of television (mostly scripted)<BR/><BR/><I>it has been, because of it's Jewish and Biblical origins, a very Jewish name, but it seems that around the years you were born it was considered a nice first name for Gentiles, as well</I><BR/><BR/>that and Linda, I think.<BR/>I'm sure I would have been a long form, though I never asked which (Debra or Deborah), and my actual name is (not that it's a big secret on the internet)<BR/>Pamela Jaye Ashworth, which is much nicer than (and goes together better than) my married name (my apologies to anyone named Baker)<BR/><BR/>And guess what! I even knew about the judge :-)<BR/><BR/>It is funny about you and your daughter being mixed up, though. I ran into a woman a few years back, named Sally. I really had to ask her to make she wasn't like 70 years old. She was like 50.<BR/><BR/>Of course if I had to name a daughter (and didn't have to share the chore) she would be a Deanna. (friend I had during HS, who recently found me and emailed me, with a "remember me?" (as if I could forget her!))<BR/><BR/>I also had a friend in the 80's who hated her own name so much that she nicknamed all her friends. I was perfectly happy without being nicknamed (although in chat, when we are typing fast, I *will* answer to PJ (but never Pammy))<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we should get back to *last* week's ep... ;-)<BR/>It's almost Sunday again. How will we survive when... oh right, the regular network shows will be back. That should do it.PamelaJayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07999734611205222130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-72018671272142698642008-09-06T13:53:00.000-04:002008-09-06T13:53:00.000-04:00Oh, and to Pam - regarding your comment:"how ...Oh, and to Pam - regarding your comment:<BR/>"how odd... I narrowly escaped being Roberta, in 59. (also Debbie, which apparently only my father thought of as "a Jewish name" - witness the number of Debbies my age)"<BR/><BR/>Debbie is a nickname for Deborah, which is a very Jewish name!! When your parents told you that you were almost a "Debbie" (because your father thought - correctly - that it was a Jewish name, they probably left out that it was the nickname they would have called you, not what they would have put on your birth certificate, which would most likely have been "Deborah".<BR/><BR/>Correction: I went back to the Social Security site and looked up the top 1000 for '59. Actually, "Debbie" as is was #20 in popularity, though still not as popular as "Debra" which was #7 and "Deborah" as #9. So, I apologize for assuming that your parents would have put the longer version on your birth certificate.<BR/><BR/>You might want to check out nkbabynames.com/search.php?g=0&t=1&s=Debbie in which they state:<BR/>"The girl's name Debbie \d(eb)-bie\ is a variant of Deborah." and then link to Deborah and give this description: <BR/>"The girl's name Deborah \d(e)-bo-rah\ is pronounced DEB-er-ah. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "bee". Biblical: a prophetess who summoned Barak to battle against an invading army. The victory song she wrote after the battle is part of the Book of Judges."<BR/><BR/>The "Debbie" page also includes a popularity graph that shows what a huge spike in popularity "Debbie" went through around the years you were born! You probably knew quite a few Debbies (whether being used as nicknames for Deborah or Debra or as an original first name) when you were in school!! Historically, it has been, because of it's Jewish and Biblical origins, a very Jewish name, but it seems that around the years you were born it was considered a nice first name for Gentiles, as well (it's the only real way to account for that level of popularity in the U.S. population).<BR/><BR/>I didn't look up "Pam" - I do wonder if that is your birth name or if it is "Pamela"? If your parents put "Pam" on your birth certificate, then it is even more likely that they would have put "Debbie" there if they had gone with that name.<BR/><BR/>My birth name is Samantha, but my parents planned to and always called me Sam (except when I was in trouble, lol! I still get uneasy when someone calls me "Samantha", LOL!). I think that they gave me the full name of "Samantha" even though they planned to never call me that was a) because it's just more common to put a "full" (that is, non-nickname) name as an official name, and b) because "Sam" was, at that point, still a much more common boy's name and they wanted me to be able to use "Samantha" if I got teased too much or otherwise hated having a "boy's name" (which I never did) - and also it would lessen confusion on things like class lists where the teacher might be looking out for a boy instead of a girl...<BR/><BR/>One last note: the only time I was ever uneasy about my name was when I met other girls named "Sam". It was a fairly rare occurrence back then, and for some reason always bothered me. I don't think I could have stood having a super-popular name, such as Jennifer was in girls born in the 1970's (there were always 2-5 Jennifers in each of my grades). Because of this, I wanted to make sure that my daughter didn't have a super-popular name. Funnily (is that a word? spell check says so...) enough, I named her "Jane" (which had long been my favorite female name), which was #471 (that's not a typo!)in 2005, the year she was born (funny for a name that is often thought of as one of the most popular names of all time!) That year, "Madison" (which has no real origin as a first name except for Daryl Hannah's character in the film, "Splash", which the character chose for herself after seeing a NYC street sign for Madison Ave.) was #3 after "Emily" and "Emma" and variations of "Madeline" fill up tons of spots up toward the top, so my Jane will probably be one of the few Janes her age that she will meet, yet she's already met quite a number of "Maddies"! She also has a lot of girl "Sams" her age, as my name has peaked in recent years (it doesn't bother me to meet kids with my name, but I have had more than one mishap at doctor's offices, etc. where people assume that I'm "Jane" and my daughter is the "Samantha"!) It almost a family trend, as my mother's name is Jennifer, which was fairly rare when she was born... if this trend continues, my grandchildren will probably have lot's of friends named "Jane" (by then, maybe my daughter will be able to name her daughter - if she has one - "Jennifer" after her grandmother, and have it bee fairly rare...).<BR/><BR/>Sorry to go on so long, I guess names are more of an interest of mine than I realized!oSoFinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10723296011087535612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-21602600738670660942008-09-06T12:52:00.000-04:002008-09-06T12:52:00.000-04:00To reply to all of this (imho, kind of odd) talk a...To reply to all of this (imho, kind of odd) talk about Bobbys and Bobbies, here are some facts about those names. First off though, to the OP who first asked if it seems strange that there are two characters (as well as a third mention of a "Bobby" that had been visited at a cemetery), you'll find that is it absolutely *not* strange, as it was a tremendously popular name for boys, and Barbara, which is the most likely full name of "Bobbie" was also very popular.<BR/><BR/>As for "Bobbie's" most likely given name ("Bobbie is a nickname and is not within the top 1000 names for any of these decades, which makes it extremely probable that, while she goes by "Bobby", that is not her given name) is Barbara, though it might be Roberta.<BR/><BR/>Here is what http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Bobbie had to say about "Bobbie":<BR/><BR/>"The boy's and girl's name Bobbie \b(ob)-bie\ is pronounced BAH-bee. It is of Contemporary origin. Pet form of Roberta (Old English, Old German) "bright fame", and Barbara (Greek) "stranger". Like Billie, a feminine version of a man's nickname. Bobbie is sometimes combined with other names, with or without a hyphen. " They even include a graph of popularity taken from the Social Security name site (which I'll get to in a moment).<BR/><BR/><BR/>According to the Social Security Baby Name site (which will give you all sorts of statistical information about names over the years - quite interesting, btw! I used it often when deciding on my daughter's name): <BR/>http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/<BR/><BR/>As we don't know Bobbie's age, I looked up the top 1000 names in the 1910's, 1920's, and 1930's and here is what I found:<BR/><BR/>•10's - Barbara - #76 Roberta - #157 Robert- #4<BR/>•20's - Barbara - 18 Roberta - 141 Robert - #1<BR/>•30's - Barbara - # 3, Roberta # 93, Robert, # 1<BR/><BR/>As well, I looked up the 1950's (when the Draper's son was born): Robert was #3.<BR/><BR/>I don't think any of this is particularly relevant to the show, but it is another example of Mad Men's historical accuracy.<BR/><BR/>Hope this helps anyone whose been interested in the name question (I am not saying that names isn't an interesting subject, as I obviously find name origins and popularity interesting personally as well, I just think that it is pretty far off topic here, lol! If this information helped anyone, I'd be happy to hear about it - am I fishing much? ;> lol<BR/><BR/>-oSo-oSoFinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10723296011087535612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-72122100703030867462008-09-05T18:13:00.000-04:002008-09-05T18:13:00.000-04:00Bobbie could also be Roberta, it was still somewha...<I>Bobbie could also be Roberta, it was still somewhat common to feminize the name of firstborns so they could have the fathers name. (My mother narrowly escaped being Thomasina in 51).</I><BR/><BR/>how odd... I narrowly escaped being Roberta, in 59. (also Debbie, which apparently only my father thought of as "a Jewish name" - witness the number of Debbies my age)<BR/><BR/>As for my middle name, obviously my father wanted a boy. My brother got it as well (minus the "e") and the Robert to boot.<BR/><BR/>-Pam, who is quite happy at the way it turned out.PamelaJayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07999734611205222130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-29877377940777078182008-09-02T16:19:00.000-04:002008-09-02T16:19:00.000-04:00Osofine - Yes, if Peggy's child had been placed fo...Osofine - Yes, if Peggy's child had been placed for adoption, then Anita shoving her baby into Peggy's face is indeed cruel, but I'm not that surprised it would happen. Back then, a dominant, if wrong, idea about birthmothers was that they were better off forgetting about the child and moving on, and they wouldn't suffer any trauma over the loss. As if!<BR/><BR/>(In addition, unwed mothers were treated badly - like second-class citizens - while married women giving birth were treated with respect.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-54444070409091787002008-09-01T07:04:00.000-04:002008-09-01T07:04:00.000-04:00Re La Notte, I'm not at all surprised it would...Re La Notte, I'm not at all surprised it would resonate with Don-- after all (from what I recall) it's about the existential crisis of a married couple (basically observing them throughout the course of a party), their distance/alienation from/bitterness toward each other (the melancholy of faded love, yet still perhaps-- open question-- some remnants of their old love, and an attempt, perhaps to no avail?, of renewal at the end), during the course of which the husband is enchanted by & considers an affair with a "new girl", who seems to represent a kind of life/pleasure/joy that he (a deadened, jaded soul) lacks... I mean it's *obvious* to me Don is undergoing precisely such an existential crisis (it's thematized in the first episode of the season!), so I don't find it hard to believe Don would identify with the Mastroianni character here (even just on an aesthetic/personal style level... ah those beautiful stoically tormented men in their beautiful suits)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-61333109297587539672008-08-30T13:57:00.000-04:002008-08-30T13:57:00.000-04:00I'm, of course, highly curious about how Peggy's s...I'm, of course, highly curious about how Peggy's story is going to play out. But after this episode, I'm done assuming anything about where Mad Men will take us. <BR/><BR/>I won't say that Peggy and Don will never become romantically involved, only that I hope it doesn't happen. In fact, I wouldn't mind if Peggy never marries. I could see her and Don becoming professional partners though. I think Don gets Peggy, as much as that is possible.<BR/><BR/>The "ick" factor on Bobbie has gone way down for me after "The New Girl". After seeing her with Peggy, and getting a much needed look into her personality, I'm looking forward to more Bobbie. Who knew that could happen?<BR/><BR/>Good scenes between Pete and Trudy. He behaved like a frat boy, and she was acting like a spoiled teenager who wasn't asked to the prom. I think they were both redeemed a little. She admitted that she sincerely wants a child, and Pete seemed to finally understand her anguish. <BR/><BR/>And I feel kind of bad for both of them being stuck married to someone they don't understand, and don't seem to even like very much. But I have to admit, I'm not a Trudy fan. I think she's a simp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-56651424283100512032008-08-30T00:30:00.000-04:002008-08-30T00:30:00.000-04:00I'm enjoying the links, cgeye. Many thanks.I'm enjoying the links, cgeye. Many thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-76899771969980421122008-08-29T12:08:00.000-04:002008-08-29T12:08:00.000-04:00more dish on the boys from MAD MEN, during their w...more dish on the boys from MAD MEN, during their whirlwind tour of the DNC.... http://tinyurl.com/64gubbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-25689902660787245832008-08-29T03:10:00.000-04:002008-08-29T03:10:00.000-04:00>>Back then pregnant women didn't flaunt...>>Back then pregnant women didn't flaunt their baby bellies the way we do now. <<<BR/><BR/>Not quite sure that was true. I remember reading an article in the 60s about how married pregnant women had more back problems than unmarried pregnant women... the married women were pushing out their bellies to brag, while the unmarried ones were standing up straight to hide their condition.<BR/><BR/>And I was amazed at the level of intoxication needed to be considered DUI... the cop mentioned 1.5%. According to an online blood alcohol calculator, 1.5% is more than 7 highballs over a 3 hour period for a 180 lb man!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-69235351136690028002008-08-28T16:31:00.000-04:002008-08-28T16:31:00.000-04:00http://tinyurl.com/6cscmuWeep for me, for although...http://tinyurl.com/6cscmu<BR/><BR/>Weep for me, for although they are but a few light-rail stops away from me, I am stuck, like you, to a computer, working whilst my colleagues ditch the joint for DNC events... and they just might see these guys on the 16th Street Mall.<BR/><BR/>*sigh*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-88447105027984580192008-08-27T21:54:00.000-04:002008-08-27T21:54:00.000-04:00The cut to the paddle and ball and the zipper gag ...The cut to the paddle and ball and the zipper gag were both brilliant, but I'm surprised no-one else has mentioned the pther line that made me laugh out loud - Joan telling the men to "Go and pitch your tents elsewhere".FilmFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02891478538865404415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-7142052037580330722008-08-27T20:55:00.000-04:002008-08-27T20:55:00.000-04:00Thank you for replying to my post, Alan! I agree ...Thank you for replying to my post, Alan! I agree that they haven't previously used any narrative trickery, but at the same time I think this was the first time they have thrown something out there that was so absolutely mysterious. Unfortunately, I don't have any of the first season episodes saved so that I could go back and evaluate how they presented the flashbacks of Don/Dick's early life. As I recall, those definitely seemed to be straight up and not colored by Don's interpretation. I just wish I could re-watch to see how they transitioned to the flashback scene. To me, the setup of Peggy saying how tired she was, and unused to being up all night and then the shot of her walking into the bright light of her bedroom made the flashback feel almost like a dream sequence. Of course, this was just how I interpreted it right off the bat... the "fake pregnancy" theory could possibly hold some water if the child had remained in state custody for the first month or so - after all, we couldn't tell for sure (at all) that Peggy was pregnant herself by the way she looked. Back then pregnant women didn't flaunt their baby bellies the way we do now. It's possible that Anita could get away with only looking visibly pregnant for a short time. I really doubt it, though. If the doctor(s) were trying to get Peggy to remember/accept that she had had a baby at the point in which that scene took place, it would just confuse her more to have her sister visiting the hospital in "baby drag". <BR/><BR/>It might be helpful to try to make a timeline to establish the age of the child. Don's reference to her Christmas present still being on her desk? What was the date of the season finale?<BR/><BR/>If the baby really is her sister's, it would be even younger - and the baby we've seen looks at least 5 months old, I think. If Peggy's baby was put up for adoption, and Anita's anger at her is purely based on her own resentment at having to care for her own children, their mother, and her husband, than she is a really evil bitch to keep pushing her own baby in Peggy's face! And, if that is the case, I'm actually annoyed with the writers for implying that it was Peggy's baby that Anita was caring for in "Three Sundays" as it was the major plot element in that episode.<BR/><BR/>The whole thing was so odd, and hopefully they will explain it soon! Thanks again for this great blog and for welcoming me! :)oSoFinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10723296011087535612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-75812752999791577102008-08-27T16:18:00.000-04:002008-08-27T16:18:00.000-04:00Ketchup's high in sodium?! I learn all kinds of th...Ketchup's high in sodium?! I learn all kinds of things from this blog...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-16487016182240012732008-08-27T15:59:00.000-04:002008-08-27T15:59:00.000-04:00Welcome, Osofine, and thanks for freaking me right...Welcome, Osofine, and thanks for freaking me right the hell out with your theory. I'm not sure I go with it, as the show has yet to feature any kind of unreliable narrator tricks, but it's early enough in the run that I suppose they could.Alan Sepinwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03388147774725646742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-70146167977491932342008-08-27T14:37:00.000-04:002008-08-27T14:37:00.000-04:00I wish I'd gotten here sooner, as I've had to read...I wish I'd gotten here sooner, as I've had to read/skim all 93 previous posts to make sure no one else had the same thing to say as I do (plus I'm a bit doubtful that anyone will even read this post it's so far down).<BR/><BR/>First, I love this blog!! It's great to have an intelligent forum for a television show - I waste too much time on the idiocy spewed on the IMDb boards!<BR/><BR/>Ok, here was my impression at seeing Peggy's sister, Anita, pregnant in the flashback scene: Peggy was hallucinating. Period. Either a) Anita wasn't there at all - Peggy only barely looked up and said, "Hey Mama," and though she saw pregnant Anita, she didn't greet her. Anita only has one line that is directed at the mother and the mother doesn't respond. The doctor only addresses the mother and not Anita. Or (and it doesn't really matter - all that matters is that Peggy saw Anita pregnant, or injected a pregnant Anita into her memory), b) Anita was standing there, but Peggy, who was all drugged up and in massive denial, projected her own wish that Anita was the one having the baby. Some part of Peggy at that point knew that she had had a baby. The doctor said he had already told her. He probably had also told her that Anita was caring for the child. She has to rationalize this situation while creating a plausible delusion - that Anita is having a baby, it's Anita's baby, not mine.<BR/><BR/>The flashback was, in no uncertain terms, from Peggy's POV - she was "remembering" it as she goes to lie down after being up all night bailing out Don and Bobbie. So cinematically, it is perfectly justifiable for that "memory" to be tainted. <BR/><BR/>While we know Anita's opinion of Peggy is that she is just faking the whole thing, that doesn't mean Anita is correct. Every time Peggy has interacted with the baby (her baby) she has seemed to me to be a bit puzzled. At the end of "Three Sundays", when the priest hands her the egg, "for the little one" she doesn't (to me) look as much like someone who is upset that her secret has been found out, but rather, she looks at the egg, again, puzzled. I don't think she would be functioning if she hadn't taken Don's advice "This <B><I>never</I></B> happened". That can only be achieved by Peggy convincing herself that it is Anita's baby.<BR/><BR/>Don's words about, "do what they want" make me think of the way that Anita describes (and we see) their mother and everyone else tiptoeing around Peggy and acting like it Never Happened. Most likely, that was the doctor's orders after he realized that Peggy wasn't coming out of denial and probably shouldn't. (Remember, this is the era when Betty's psychiatrist reports to Don.)<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry if this has come out a bit fumble-footed (lack of sleep). I want to be clear that while I think Peggy is in full-on denial mode, she is not crazy. She is purposefully living her lie and whenever the truth tries to impinge on that lie (usually via Anita's machinations) she goes into a kind of fugue state. When forced to hold her child in church, she can barely contain the baby on her lap - she cannot soothe it or interact with it (him) in any way - yet surely she would have had experience with babies as she had been an aunt to Anita's other children prior to her own pregnancy (not to mention that most girls growing up in a tight-knit, Catholic community in Brooklyn at that time would be very used to interacting with lots and lots of kids).<BR/><BR/>There's my 2 cents. I'd love to hear anyone else's response. I was frankly surprised that no one else seems to have seen it that way, yet there is a "twin theory" running around.... <BR/><BR/>[Oh, and as for Anita's "problems" that she refers to in confession, she has a husband who can't get off the couch to so much as answer the door! I don't think she's grieving over any dead children.]oSoFinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10723296011087535612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-56252588016843736262008-08-27T12:34:00.000-04:002008-08-27T12:34:00.000-04:00This case re: a 2004 car crash gives a pretty good...This case re: a 2004 car crash gives a pretty good historical background on NYS law on drunk driving:<BR/><BR/>http://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I07_0097.htm<BR/><BR/>Here's a relevant quote which would relate to the show's timeframe:<BR/><BR/>"A 1960 amendment added a new offense to section 1192 — driving "while ability to operate is impaired by the consumption of alcohol" (L 1960, ch 184). The new subdivision 1 was enacted so that an impaired driver — one whose blood alcohol content was .10% or less — could receive a traffic infraction and not be criminally liable. The language prohibiting driving while intoxicated was kept intact, became subdivision 2 and remained a misdemeanor. Underlying the amendment were vast medical and scientific data — including laboratory and field investigations — to confirm that the amount of alcohol content would be an accurate showing of impairment (Sponsor's Mem and Appendix, Bill Jacket, L 1960, ch 184, at 1-6).<BR/><BR/>Opposed to the amendment, the American Automobile Association found fault with the difficulty of enforcement for such low amounts of alcohol in the blood and wondered why "little mention is made of the impairment produced by fatigue, tension, the taking of medicines or even indisposition caused by indigestion" (Letter from New York State Automobile Assn., Bill Jacket, at 12). The Governor's memorandum, however, indicated that the amendment "provides a realistic approach towards reducing the tragic toll of death and injury caused by the drinking driver. Existing law has proved inadequate in this regard in that it is directed towards only the most serious offender, the driver with a blood-alcohol level of at least 0.15%. In requiring that the drinking driver be classified as a criminal, present law has not proved adequate to remove the drinking driver from our highways" (Governor's Mem approving L 1960, ch 184, 1960 McKinney's Session Laws of NY, at 2002). The Legislature was focusing on "drinking drivers," the more serious ones designated "intoxicated." "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-86530963815437692472008-08-27T10:50:00.000-04:002008-08-27T10:50:00.000-04:00I loved the fact that Betty wont let Don have salt...I loved the fact that Betty wont let Don have salt but meanwhile did anyone notice that the meatloaf was already drenched with high sodium ketchup?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-63455271096893301422008-08-27T10:20:00.000-04:002008-08-27T10:20:00.000-04:00More notes:My guess on the police saying "your wif...More notes:<BR/>My guess on the police saying "your wife's FRIEND" is that he's guessing she's really a whore and has a pimp or other whore friends to call for cash at that time of night.<BR/><BR/>Bobbie could also be Roberta, it was still somewhat common to feminize the name of firstborns so they could have the fathers name. (My mother narrowly escaped being Thomasina in 51).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-57942044963569517662008-08-27T10:17:00.000-04:002008-08-27T10:17:00.000-04:00Well you guys have said just about all the things ...Well you guys have said just about all the things I loved about the episode. Wanted to also praise the composition of the episode as a whole. I thought the ending scene of Don sitting uncomfortably in his chair from the back, was a striking contrast to the ending shot from the opening credits where you see "Don" sitting comfortably in a chair from the back with his cig in hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-48882320460238937582008-08-27T04:42:00.000-04:002008-08-27T04:42:00.000-04:00I too loved this episode, and I really liked how t...I too loved this episode, and I really liked how the events not only moved the characters along, but the whole show.<BR/><BR/>Up until now, we've seen all the characters smoking, drinking and carousing like it was 1959, and existing completely in the world that they've created. It's their world. It's only in the last few episodes that we're starting to see the consequences of these behaviors start to kick in. Don's health and the drunk-driving accident symbolize, to me anyway, that they're not going to get away with this forever. <BR/><BR/>It would be interesting to explore the arrival of consequences of the womanizing, too, beyond one of the ducks getting caught by their wives. It would be interesting to see a sexual harassment complaint, if the term had even been coined at that point, and the effect it would have on an office like this.<BR/><BR/>It hadn't occurred to me that the producers were setting up Peggy and Don as romantic partners, Alan. I like the idea, actually, but only if they can establish her as his equal first. It seems like a Season 3 storyline to me. <BR/><BR/>That said, I'm finding Peggy's arc this season (and between the two) the most interesting of any of the characters. It's fascinating to see her harden before our eyes, and though I can't speak for the show's authenticity overall (I was born in '82), I keep thinking of the actual women who had to be the Peggy -- or Bobby, or Rachel -- in a world that wasn't ready for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-51396752510656885802008-08-26T23:18:00.000-04:002008-08-26T23:18:00.000-04:00I'd bought Three Sundays on iTunes--the lady (whoe...I'd bought Three Sundays on iTunes--the lady (whoever she is--Peggy's aunt or a friend of her mother's, I guess, or maybe just a fellow prominent member of the congregation) simply says "I went by Greenwood to visit my son." Something tells me THAT woman didn't fake a pregnancy to cover for Peggy.<BR/><BR/>If the baby we've seen this season isn't Peggy's, I'll eat my hat. And I'll eat ten hats if Anita was faking a pregnancy. I'm not saying it didn't occur to me, but there's just no way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17517257.post-1614430188424160372008-08-26T22:15:00.000-04:002008-08-26T22:15:00.000-04:00Too many good comments for me to compete with bu I...Too many good comments for me to compete with bu I had a couple insights.<BR/><BR/>1. Susan, I also found the no mention of jail time was startling. I know I got pulled over for a seatbelt and asked if I could pay for the offense there on the spot. I thought he was going to cuff me up on the spot. SO yeah, that was definetley interesting.<BR/><BR/>2. Did Mad Men just create a new name for a non-combat jack? Pete-ing the paddle. It has nice ring to it I think. Forget what everyone else thinks, I'm using it!StickUpKidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522742402290919922noreply@blogger.com