"I'm going back to find your daughter." -KateMiracle of miracles, a Kate episode I liked. One I really liked, in fact.
I was tempted to open this review with a quote from one of Hurley and Miles' many debates over the "Back to the Future" changeable model of time travel (Hurley's horse) versus the closed-loop "12 Monkeys" one (Miles'), since it echoed arguments we've been having on this blog all season. I don't know where in the production process this was written, but showrunners Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof had to know that, even with all of Faraday's explanations, some fans would be confused about how the closed-loop works, try to pick it apart for inconsistencies, ask about how someone could die in 1974 when they were still alive in 2004, etc.
So those scenes certainly worked as a meta commentary on the season, as Hurley scenes tend to do. But the rest of the episode was devoted to showing that the set nature of the timeline doesn't have to suck all the tension out of events. We knew that Ben would survive, because he was still alive 30 years later, but there was still plenty of drama to come out of how he survived. As Miles notes to Hurley, "we never experienced how it all turns out," which leaves a lot of wiggle room. Jack can sit on the sidelines because he just assumes Ben will be okay, and while he's right, his inaction also tells us about where Jack is now mentally (bitter because he believes -- wrongly, as it turns out -- that Kate has come back for Sawyer, and also running away from his savior complex), just as Kate, Juliet and Sawyer's attempts to save the future monster tell us who they are (that Juliet is still a fundamentally good person, in spite of all the horrible things the adult Ben will do to her, that Kate now has a strong maternal streak, and that Sawyer loves Juliet enough that he'll do this for her).
Beyond that, we get to see how our characters, whether or not they know or care about Faraday's theory, wind up affecting their own futures with their decisions. Sayid shoots Ben last week because he wants to save himself and everyone he cares about from this monster; instead, he sets in motion a chain of events that guarantees Ben will become exactly that monster. (Though I would have liked it better without Richard explaining that Ben would never remember the circumstances of the shooting. Hurley's objection to how Ben behaved when he first met Sayid in season two can be waved away as Ben play-acting, and I think a lot of the Ben/Sayid scenes in the Oceanic Six era have an added kick if Ben knows he's fashioning Sayid into the man who's going to shoot him as a kid -- and gets a sadistic thrill out of knowing that he'll survive, but that Sayid's soul will be destroyed in the process.)
Like last week's "He's Our You," "Whatever Happened, Happened" was very much a throwback to the original "Lost" episode model, focusing primarily on Kate and trying to use flashbacks to her past to illuminate her present circumstances. But where I felt disappointed by what it seemed like "He's Our You" wasn't telling us about Sayid's vendetta against Ben(*), here I gained a newfound appreciation of Kate -- and, for that matter, of Evangeline Lily -- as I found out her reasons for returning weren't what I had initially thought.
(*) A lot of commenters, by the way, made persuasive arguments that there wasn't supposed to be a betrayal -- that Sayid simply blames Ben for unleashing the killer Sayid had tried to keep bottled up for most of his life. I like that interpretation -- in many ways, it's more interesting than simply finding out Ben had once again lied to someone -- but I don't think the episode did a great job of selling it as Sayid's motivation in that episode, and throughout the last half-season.
There was no shock ending like the show often gave us (or tried to) in the earlier seasons, but we didn't need one. Sometimes, it's enough -- even richer than a twist ending -- to just see a natural emotional progression, as we watched Kate struggle with the guilt of raising a boy who wasn't hers, of keeping Aaron from his grandmother, of leaving Claire behind (even though, as she explains to Mrs. Littleton, Claire had disappeared and there was no time to look for her). Kate's a character who's generally been defined as running away from things. Here, she's running to something, and while I thought/feared that something was James Ford, it turns out her motives are much more selfless than that. She's come to rescue the mother of the boy she loves so much -- and that is a Kate I can get behind, even as I fear that she's going to wind up coming between Sawyer (who called her "Freckles" by the sonic fence) and his Juliet.
Some other thoughts:
• At first, I was troubled that none of the characters were questioning why they should be saving the man who will one day cause them all so much grief, but Sawyer dealt with it enough for my needs near the end. We've seen this kind of story so many times in other sci-fi series that the debate about killing Hitler in the cradle would have simply felt obligatory.
• Earlier in the season, I used to keep the running tally of how Sawyer and Miles were battling for island comedy supremacy. With this episode, it feels like Miles has won by default. Sawyer has matured so much that, while he can still be funny (see last week's line about how they went three years without flaming buses before Jack came back), he's much too important to be relegated to sarcastic comic relief anymore.
• I have to assume that we're going to see a whole lot more of Ben's time with The Others, possibly even Ben as a child. One of Richard's lieutenants brought up Ellie (presumably Ms. Hawking) and Charles Widmore, both last seen in 1954 in "Jughead," and we know Widmore blames Ben for his banishment from the island. If it was late '70s Ben who was responsible for Widmore's exile, as opposed to the post-purge Ben of the early '90s, then there are far fewer complications about Penny's birth, how Widmore became such a respected businessman, etc.
• It's been nearly four full episodes since we last saw Locke, from the glimpse of him turning the donkey wheel at the start of "LaFleur" until the end of this one. And while these have been among the season's strongest episodes, one glimpse of Terry O'Quinn's face as Locke enjoyed Ben's surprise at seeing him alive was all I needed to wish I could travel back in time and insert him into those episodes without messing up the timestream.
• Looks like the Dharma folk have been pretty easygoing about Juliet's surprise medical credentials, though of course not a lot of time has passed since she delivered Amy's baby.
• As most of us assumed, Sawyer was telling Kate on the chopper to take care of his daughter Clementine. It was good to see Kim Dickens again as Cassidy, and to hear Cassidy's clear-eyed take on the man Sawyer used to be, but did anyone else expect Kate to be really surprised to see that Sawyer's baby mama and her old con artist partner were one and the same? I suppose she could have figured this out on her own while preparing to meet Cassidy after her trial ended, but it seemed odd to me.
• In addition to my newfound appreciation of Kate, I have to say that, unlike Kate and Juliet, I'm kinda digging the new Jack. He's still a selfish ass in some ways, but he's a mellower, more interesting selfish ass.
• What do you make of the blonde in the supermarket? Foiled kidnapper or helpful shopper? And, of course, she looked like Claire from behind, which only added to Kate's feelings of guilt about "stealing" Aaron.
• This episode was a bit lighter on Sawyer than the last few, but Josh Holloway still had a very nice moment as Sawyer got to hear about his daughter from Kate.
• Was Sawyer's line to Kate about how they had The Others right where they wanted them a reference to a movie (maybe "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid")? To a previous Sawyer/Kate scene (maybe during the polar bear cage arc)? It sounded familiar, but it just might be the sort of thing the Han Solo types Sawyer's modeled on might say, whether or not any of them specifically did.
As always, reminder of the two basic rules for "Lost" discussion: no spoilers (that includes previews, interviews, stuff you've read/heard elsewhere, even the Darlton podcasts), and make an effort to read everyone else's comments so you're not doing a "Did anybody else think about..." point on something 16 other people have already mentioned.
With that in mind, what did everybody else think?
214 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 214 of 214Ok I really thought last night's episode was more "As the Donkey Wheel Turns." They could have wrapped up Kate's flashback in 5-10 minutes and put more time in the drama with young Ben and at the end, older Ben and Locke.
And did anyone else think it was way too convenient for Richard Alpert to erase young Ben's memory? And was it all erase? Being shot? Being rescued? Does young Ben just thing he was abandoned by his Dad? Just hope they provide answers by the time the season ends.
"But we know during the "Jughead" era that Richard was Top Dog and Charles & Ellie were subservient. What happened between Richard & C/E during the intervening years?"
We don't know that Richard was top dog back in the Jughead era. Accept for a moment that Richard "outranks" Charles and Ellie in that time period, he could still be the right hand man of the TRUE "island leader," just as he is to Ben or Locke or Jacob or whomever in later decades, no? The real question is: who was in charge before Charles and Ellie asserted themselves over that person (like Locke now is over Ben).
"so few people are asking the question that bothered me most about this episode: How does Sayid, a life long hitman, NOT kill Ben with that shot? How many people has he killed before, and this time he misses the mark?!!"
Alan answered this one well, but I think it's also worth pointing out that just because we've seen Sayid kill plenty of people perfectly... it doesn't mean that he's got a 100% kill rate. It's quite possible that sometimes he failed at an assassination he was supposed to commit or couldn't get information out of someone he was ordered to torture back in the Iraqi (either side) days, or... whatever. No one said Sayid is perfect.
"even if Sayid had stood over little Ben and been able to pull the trigger the gun would have jammed, I mean you don't save Michael from suicide half a world away and not be able to manage the mojo on your own turf."
Exactly what I was thinking specifically. The Michael not being allowed to shoot himself scene is directly relevant to Sayid trying to kill Ben, IMO.
"Reminds me of Charlie going from being unable to swim in season 1 (he sends Jack to try and save Joanna because he can't swim), and then Charlie claims to be a champion swimmer in season 3 and makes it to the looking glass station."
I thought the champion swimmer thing was a bit of a sarcastic joke, plus he's had SOME time on the island to learn how to swim, hasn't he?
Jillian - I love the idea that the Others are already dead - maybe that's why Locke *had* to die, like Richard said. Only certain people are brought back to be Others - hence the "list"?
Also, I have a thought. Jack was supposed to come back to save everyone (in theory) what if he WAS. What if to save everyone he had to save Ben? Ben would not have become Other and his dad was even thinking about being nicer to him. So if Jack had saved him, Ben might not have become evil. What if it's not simply "What happened, happened" and Jack didn't help because he wasn't supposed to - what if he WAS supposed to and he just failed? He came back to save everyone and he just screwed it all up. I think that's MUCH more interesting than it simply already happened.
Also did anyone else think that when Kate agreed to let Richard make Ben evil/whatever that she did it to spite Jack? even a little?
Also to whoever wondered about Kate leaving a baby ALONE by itself - I thought that exact same thing too. Not only that, but he wakes up to a stranger? Rough.
I loved Kate for 2 seasons. She seems like a different person, dating back precisely to her "breakfast date" with Ben. To me it seemed like a switch was flipped.
I always assumed Ben told her something momentous and/or threatening that turned her into a mouse (at least on the surface). But as time has passed I've begun to assume it was just a random change in how the character is written.
I'm thrilled to see her acting more like herself again, but I'm still naively hoping her "mouse-Kate" phase will be explained.
For anyone asking how Miles might know a detail because we didn't see the conversation play out on screen, consider this: The Sawyer Group has been posing as DI for 3 years. They would have had some time to hang out with Miles and catch him up on all that went down on the island before he arrived.
Regarding Kate leaving the baby in a hotel room alone waiting for grandma: I think it's possible that Grandma returned to the room with Kate and gave her a moment to kiss the kid goodbye. Do we really have to see each thing play out on screen in order for it to make sense?
Ben losing some part of his memory helps me understand one thing- Claire. How is it Claire looked so calm (almost drugged) upon seeing her father and knowing she just walked off and left her baby in the wilderness? I am guessing she's been converted to Other.
JDubTrey said...
Oh, by the way, Cuselof have mentioned the Hitler metaphor themselves. If you want to blame someone for the ubiquity of it, blame them! :)
In fact, it was even referenced on-screen in the first scene of the season. Dr. Candle/Chang tells the workman at the Orchid about harnessing the energy there to manipulate time. The workman scoffs, "right, so we're gonna go back and kill Hitler?"
Cute bit of foreshadowing there.
ghoti said...
I don't understand why choosing not to directly save Ben's life makes Jack any more of a "jerk" than Juliet, Kate and Sawyer.
Ben becomes who he becomes no matter what anyone chooses to do in 1977. If Jack decided to operate, that's what happened and Ben turns out exactly the same.
Here is my problem with that, Jack's line of thinking: they and we don't yet fully understand what it is Ben became. They know that he does terrible things, but his ultimate purpose is still unclear -- whether he believes them to be for some greater good, or if he is just an evil, vengeful bastard; and whether he is ultimately capable of redemption, or if his soul is long lost. These are the things Jack and Sayid and all of them have a hand in shaping right now, and, because they don't have the whole picture, they can't just throw their hands up and say, "whatever happened happened". They don't know what happened. Their actions still have meaning and consequence.
Sorry Alan. You're right I could have made my comment differently.
Perhaps something like this:
So I kind of wonder if Ben is going to turn out to be a good guy in the end. If we are seeing the story from the wrong side. I've never really viewed the "Others" as mean spirited. Their decisions are usually made to protect themselves. I wonder if we're missing something from Ben's motives that will actually make us like him in the end.
On another note, I liked the Hurley/Miles time travel conversation. But I was unsatisfied with Richard Alpert's remark about how Ben won't remember any of this, like it was a little bit of a cop out of explaining Time Travel Dilemmas. Although I'm sure whatever the procedure is for making someone an Other memory wiping would be part of the process. But why didn't Richard Alpert recognize Sawyer and Kate and everyone else when he met them the first time they came to the island.
I can't wait to see what happens next.
Is it possible that the "you look just like her," comment by Harper to Juliet is not in reference to Juliet but to Ben's mother? Perhaps the Shrink was merely commenting on Ben's Oedipus Complex (the guy did kill his father...). Ben's mother was also a blond (if people can say to me that all Asians look alike, might I suggest that all blonds look alike?)
I don't know why "Rush Blog" and others have such a fervent dislike for Kate.
To me, she's a very real character. Her indecisiveness about who she loves is maddening at times... but isn't that just like a woman?
No offense to the ladies.
This episode did a great job of establishing Kate's motive to return to the island. We've known since Kate's dream (featuring Claire "Don't you dare bring him back") about her feelings of guilt for taking Aaron.
Did anyone else sense Kate's moment of hesitation when Sawyer turned to go back to Dharma. Almost as if Kate wanted to follow Richard and the Others.
It makes sense that she would want to bring Ben to the Others, and want to go with the Others... because they, more than Dharma, provide the best chance she has at understanding what happened to Claire and bringing her back.
Cassidy is Annie, anyone? Remember Ben's tag Dean Moriarity?
Kate leaving Aaron unattended in motel room was, i think, contrived moment. Bothersome, but writers do have to wrap up show. tv (again) reduced to short-attention span theatre.
Great work, Alan!
just wish i didn't have to sift through so many Kate Haters. Again, it's the writing if there ARE holes in character. In the hearts of men and boys there is a dangerously exposed nerve that answers to the presence -- or absence -- of beauty.
Juliet is just as sexy as Kate, but she "behaves" and caters to mamma fantasy of men -- funny, as (just uneducated guess, could be very wrong) Juliet (is more dangerous as she) knows what's going on all along.
That said, the writing is mostly terrific. I loved the episode. We -- and our kids -- will be poorer for losing Lost. Anyone remember Star Trek, the (real world) historical significance of the prime directive? Lost, too, has moral, societal, historical etc significance.
Hurley is still my favorite character, humanity embodied, as the whispers confirmed "he's special. . ."
oops missed Adam's comment. hooray for Adam. no offense taken for archetype.
So many people mentioning Kate leaving Aaron in the motel room alone.
It's a locked motel room. For 5 minutes while she talks to the kid's grandmother 2 doors down. How is he in appreciably more danger in a LOCKED MOTEL ROOM at night for a few minutes alone sleeping in the bed... than he would be with Kate sleeping next to him? Someone could break in and kill them both just as easily as they could kill him alone.
Jeez, you'd think Claire didn't LEAVE HIM IN THE JUNGLE ALONE or anything, which is way safer than a motel room!
"Is it possible that the "you look just like her," comment by Harper to Juliet is not in reference to Juliet but to Ben's mother? Perhaps the Shrink was merely commenting on Ben's Oedipus Complex (the guy did kill his father...)."
'cept Oedipus's mom didn't die giving birth to him, so... you know, he could grow up lusting after her and all.
As a parent I find Kate's abandoning of Aaron horrific - she's the only Mom he knows, a single Mom at that, and she just leaves? Why can't she tell Jack and anyone else going back to find Claire while she acts responsibly and doesn't run away for once? Sorry, I'm in the "the writers are trying to make us like her again" camp, as they hit us over the head with the "Kate has maternal feelings" hammer.
As a parent, why weren't you horrified by Kate's decision to claim Aaron as her own for her own selfish reasons (which was established in "The Little Prince")?
The Oceanic Six should have told the truth about Aaron in the first place. Jack and Kate had an opportunity to do so to Carole Littleton, six months later at Christian Shephard's funeral. In fact, they had over two years to do the right thing by handing Aaron over to his grandmother. I'm glad that Kate finally did it. But this doesn't erase the fact that via a lie created by her led to child abduction. I still believe, to this day, that Kate had no excuse for what she. You know, she had admitted what she did was wrong. Why do so many fans still have problems admitting the same thing?
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